FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

rob316

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121613850#Comment_121613850

Jesus Christ those revenues and profits are insane.

rob316

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121605970#Comment_121605970

More these developments are needed. I still don't understand why cost rental isn't been done more. Long term stable tenancies, state breaks even and retains the asset.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121613868#Comment_121613868

I think you should have a look around because that is certainly not anywhere close to correct

Cluedo Monopoly

I have seen a distinct pattern with FF and FG TDs in recent weeks when it comes to the immigration crisis. They are very very intent on using Roderic O'Gorman's name repeatedly. Over and over they call out his full name and say they expect the minister to do this, that and the other. It actually quite cowardly that they are using this scapegoat ploy to try and hang the immigration entirely on the Greens. Over and over they push the entire responsibility to one man. Why hasn't he been replaced by a senior FFG TD? O'Gorman wont even be a TD in approx 12 months time. Why are the experienced FG TDs cowardly hiding from one of the biggest issues in the country? I get the distinct impression that O'Gorman is getting no help in cabinet and especially from that inept minister for Housing O'Brien and of course McEntee.

Where are they hiding? Simon Coveney, Simon Harris, Richard Bruton, Heather Humphreys, Paschal Donohue don't seem overly busy. Get one of them in....senior hurlers.

tom23

how about this

the most fucked up country right now with cherries on top. better?

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121614180#Comment_121614180

I always say people should travel, gives them a better view of what is going on in the World.

tom23

I have plenty. all that’s gold does not glitter. You have your viewpoint I have mine. Let’s leave it there.

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121614166#Comment_121614166

Oh for sure Roddy is the scapegoat for the mess but all are the blame imho, his tweets inviting all to Ireland must have been ok'd by FF and FG as well as GP

MM and LV are just looking at landing big Europe jobs, they do not care about Ireland

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121616786#Comment_121616786

What big jobs in Europe are they getting?

JP Liz V1

Well both are linked with president role

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/01/09/taoiseach-and-tanaiste-circulated-as-names-for-top-brussels-job-after-surprise-resignation/

WishUWereHere

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121603500#Comment_121603500

Then why was it raised in DÉ today?

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121630743#Comment_121630743

By Mary Lou who has no problem with blocking homes getting built.

🤣🤣🤣

Did she read out a Dear Deirdre letter as well 🤦‍♂️

WishUWereHere

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121630897#Comment_121630897

While you are right in it being MLou who raised the matter, you said it it was the wrong information and it was pulled.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121630743#Comment_121630743

It wouldn't be the first time incorrect information was brought up in the Dáil. They have immunity so don't have to worry about getting things wrong.

Not saying it is wrong information, I have no idea. Is the article still down?

howiya

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121631006#Comment_121631006

The article, or a revised version, went back up the next day. I believe the main issue with the original article was who it claimed had bought the properties.

Deutsche Banks investment arm bought them, presumably on behalf of a fund it manages. Occu, the company referred to in original article are merely collecting the rent for them.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121630987#Comment_121630987

The article was pulled. It was then put back up with the right information. Or what they think is the right information.

Maybe the question should be why is Mary Lou complaining about houses that are built and now available to buy for some people and rent for others. Yet she has no problems blocking properties so they never get built in first place.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121568958#Comment_121568958

Pearl clutching and knee-jerk legislation in response to attitudes like this make for bad law.

Every accident, injury or death is sad and unfortunate and a loss, BUT let's take the number of deaths vs the number of drivers and the number of journeys and in that more realistic perspective, we actually have a pretty good safety record.

We hear almost daily about the rising numbers.. We don't hear about the hugely increased volume of traffic since the end of covid, the lack of enforcement of anything bar "speeding" (usually on motorways or straight stretches of national road if the Garda twitter is any indication), nor the apparently rampant drug driving nowadays (again per the Garda twitter account). We don't talk either about those single driver deaths late at night or those cyclists who get hurt or worse cutting up the inside of HGVs at junctions - yet all these things play a part of those stats too!

Blaming it all on "speeding" is a lazy get out. Equally too is this notion that we should accommodate the nervous, slow and dangerous in other ways drivers who cry "think of us" - simply put, if you can't competently and comfortably drive at 80/100/120 km/h when there's no reason not to (ie : good road, good visibility) then you shouldn't be on the road really.

This is yet another half-assed, half thought out plan from a Government that seems to veer wildly from social media outrage to outrage. We're regressing as a society and pandering to hysteria and crusading by people who have little grasp of the detail or complexity of most of the issues.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632443#Comment_121632443

The target is minor roads, which is the problem. I gave an example of plenty more of minor roads at a too high a speed limit and no longer safe for the people in the area to walk or cycle on the road.

Its half assed for people to complain they can’t go fast enough, go 5 mins earlier and you are sorted 👍

The issue here is too man gobsh***s on the road that the rest of the people have to suffer. Get rid of the gobsh**s and then I’m sure they can review but still minor roads should be at a speed limit that people can walk/cycle them without some clown flying around on them thinking he is a rally driver

marno21

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41311549.html

There's an ongoing student accommodation and affordability crisis in Cork. This is today's daily lead balloon for the Government.

tom23

if they buy that… there is simply no hope for this country until they are voted out.

Blut2

Absolutely insane. Their defense of it by saying they'll replace the student accomodation with "alternative accomodation" is also ridiculous. Why not just leave the students in the purpose built student accomodation, thats literally next to campus, and put the asylum seekers in the "alternative accomodation" elsewhere instead then?

The reality is obviously that they won't replace it, and both students and anyone in Cork's rental market get screwed.

Its just like the hotel in Roscrea all over again - where they've admitted the community needs a hotel, so they're now claiming they'll open a new hotel for the community, after just closing down the already functioning hotel. Its almost literally unbelievable stuff.

And all at incredible cost to the state on top obviously. Heading towards €3bn a year being spent on all of this now. We could have 5000+ extra nurses and gardai in the state for that... Imagine how much that would improve everyone's quality of life?

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121634186#Comment_121634186

Here is a novel idea why not just send the ayslum seekers back where they came from with explanation, to all those that think we owe the world the beds we lie in and the shirts off our backs, that we simply do not have the resources to cope.

Then lo and behold students will have student accommodation, old and infirmed people will have nursing homes, tourists will have hotel rooms, locals will have hotels for social gatherings.

Common sense is not all that common it seems in Leinster House.

WishUWereHere

Hmmm, more cesspit vulture funds in the market?

https://www.thejournal.ie/swords-homes-investment-fund-6275818-Jan2024/

This in O’Brien’s own backyard, if true.

JP Liz V1

Former TD and serving Fianna Fáil councillor Colm Keaveney has been charged with driving under the influence of cocaine

The Independent

I'm sure they all have tried it at some stage 😄

tom23

shure they all work so hard.

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121661742#Comment_121661742

You need to take a look at Keaveney's chequered history to understand how he had no friends to make this go away, like other incidents involving politicians, businessmen, media types and sports people.

Now not saying drug influenced driving charges were made go away, but other things often were.

He was never FF insider, he was in Labour, fell out with them and became independent, then had the temerity and audacity to hook his wagon to one Declan Ganley.

And he is also enemy of one FG insider Mr O'Brien.

WishUWereHere

Latest opinion poll - doesn’t bode well for the shinners.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0128/1428990-opinion-poll/

With the 3 coalition parties polling at considerably higher than SF, looks like we are stuck with more of the FFG rubbish, meaning more housing shortages etc.

The options in Irish politics really are very limited:(

Annasopra

Poll today is interesting

I could easily see a new government either FG/FF and some independents being elected.

Business Post / Red C Poll

SF: 25% (-4)

FG: 20%

FF: 17% (+1)

SD: 6%

LAB: 4%

GP: 4%

PBP/S: 3%

AON: 3% (+1)

INDs/Others: 18% (+2)

+/- December 2023

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121683536#Comment_121683536

How many parties do you want to have?

"very limited" ??

• Fianna Fáil.
• Sinn Féin.
• Fine Gael.
• Green Party.
• Labour Party.
• Social Democrats.
• People Before Profit–Solidarity.
• Independent Ireland.
• Aontu
• Independents 4 change
• etc

Augme

SF + Labour + SD = 35%

Current gov. = 41%

The Greens would fit more closely with SF+labour+SD. The performance of the small parties will be the major factor and when it comes to polls, the margin of error places a big caveat on predictions.

rolling boh

The way the polls are heading for all the talk of people wanting change the figures don't really indicate that.The number of indos and small groups looking likely to be returned shows there will be no significant change .

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121684006#Comment_121684006

A poll is a poll, until it gets closer to the election it is only a poll.

SF supporters spent the last few years telling everyone how important polls are and how great SF are for been high in them, once they start to drop then its a different story.

This poll didn't take into consideration the nurse/Garda pay rise as well. You would have to expect a bump for government parties with that as well

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121684014#Comment_121684014

A bump from who?

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121684020#Comment_121684020

Not sure why I would have to explain that.

rolling boh

Agree its just a poll but SF were polling too high and are bound to come down a bit.I still think that the current group in power have a few more options to get back in ,SF have fewer viable options I believe.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121684023#Comment_121684023

I justed wabted to be sure. Anyway, most public servants feeling towards the deal is not that positive so I don't think that will have any impact on their numbers.

Blut2

FF/FG aren't gaining from SF's loss, its INDs mostly who are. Which would suggest its mostly down to the immigration issue.

SF are going to find it very difficult to square the circle between their large working class voter base (which polls show are 85% anti non-EU immigration), large rural conservative voter base (also hugely anti non-EU immigration these days), and their more ideologically left wing and/or young party activists (who're generally very pro-migration).

They're currently doing their best to sit on the fence and not have a clear position, but thats not going to work for long. Their TDs/county councillors are regularly getting it in the neck at local meetings from constituents already apparently.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121683998#Comment_121683998

Yeah but there is generally a seat 'penalty' for smaller parties so Sf+Green=Lab+SD are highly unikely to secure anything like 40% of Dail seats. If there was anything like a direct correlation between vote share and seat total Aontu with 3% should be coming back with 5 or so seats, whereas in reality they have almost no chance of winning more than 1.

Cluedo Monopoly

I see a massively fragmented election next time out. I see first preference votes going all over the place but I can't see FFG getting many second/third preferences. Any new parties or new articulate Independents could do well.

The current government is annoying the electorate in every aspect of their lives. They only actually do anything when there Is a social media trend. Is there a single ministry that has been a success??

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121684582#Comment_121684582

SocDems won 6 seats with 3% of the vote so it's not always the case that there is a penalty, sometimes the opposite can happen. But the performance of smaller parties is always very difficult to predict.

rolling boh

SF would proberly have to get sixty seats at least to make a government viable if they had that number other groups or groups might look more favourably at joining forces .For me if they have around fifty the present crew can muster up enough to stay in power .

Blut2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121684702#Comment_121684702

The SocDems massively out performed due to getting SF runoff preferences though, the last election was very unusual in that regard. If SF had run a full slate of candidates the SocDems would likely only have gotten 3 or so seats.

WishUWereHere

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121684601#Comment_121684601

Answer to Your question is a resounding NO.

Said it many times this bunch are totally reactive, they know nothing about being proactive

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121683998#Comment_121683998

The Greens don't fit with Sinn Fein. The carbon tax is a huge issue for the Greens, Sinn Fein oppose it.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121690726#Comment_121690726

Sinn Fein don't know what they want to do with Carbon tax

I think the bigger issue is the attitude from Sinn Fein and supporters to Green supporters over the last few years.

US3

It's pretty much nailed on that FF and FG Will be in power after the next election, probably with social democrats rather than the greens. Depressing

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121690918#Comment_121690918

A lot of water to pass before then. I wouldn't be calling any election so far out

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121690726#Comment_121690726

They'll fit more when Catherine Martin is leader after the next election. Eamon Ryan having zero interest in social issues isn't inline with what of the rest of the party.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121690918#Comment_121690918

Csnt see the SocDems going in with FG given they disagree on nearly every major issue.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121690918#Comment_121690918

Trust me, that won't happen. FG will not be in power after next election. 100% guaranteed.