Tiernan Kelly Incident

Your missing the point, if you were brought up at a young age without any father because of a war like world you grew up in you will be very different to someone been bought a Latte every saturday with your father in Eyre Square .

Its not right but unfortunately people from Crossmaglen and Claregalway lived in different worlds and it shaped people differently.

The physical/'dark arts' side of the game has been encouraged and instilled at the club level from a very young age in an awful lot of Armagh clubs to a much greater extent and over many more generations than in any county I know. I wouldn't want the physical side of the game wiped out, and there's certainly been more than a hint of dark arts around any great winning side, but Armagh more than any other county seem to have given up on treading the fine line and regularly jump head first into thuggery.

It isn't a, 'Nordie' problem, it is an Armagh problem.

Using the absolute tragedy of the farm shootings in Kanturk to claim that this kind of stuff happens in most counties.

Maybe I should apologise in advance for the cynicism of what I'm going to say but I think the best thing Armagh GAA can do at this point is throw Kelly under the bus themselves. Put out a statement condemning the eye gouge and say that McGeeney has decided that Kelly will not be part of the panel next year but may return in 2024. Include a few words of an apology from Kelly as well.

He is going to get the book thrown at him so Armagh would be better off getting ahead of any actions from Croke Park.

What a stupid stupid comparison.

Loads died, went to jail, were maimed, ...a mini Ukraine situation you know nothing about.

It had and still has a massive impact on the people in Nationalist areas of the 6 counties, there was no boundaries or help for the guts of a hundred years .

In a very unsurprising turn of events, McGeeney refused to condemn eye gouging and tried to portray Armagh as the victims.

Obviously it was a scummy move,I was sat right in front of the row and the whole thing was serious enough.I hope he gets a ban,6 months maybe.

However,people posting his personal fb account online as in the above article is also a scummy move.Hes a young lad and doesn't deserve to have his life and health destroyed over this.

I'm from Mayo so no affiliation to any team involved.

Completely separate thing - whatever happens on social media is completely outside the control of the GAA, the gardai and pretty much everyone else in the country. You can carp on about it not being right, and of course you are 100%, but its hardly a surprise and the only way a public figure can really protect themselves is by having a private account or else shutting down the account.

In fairness, McGeeney condemned it unequivocally which was a sensible thing to do, and he is a fairly sensible guy I would think.

The difficulty with it is that regardless of who starts it, once its starts the gaa 'code' is that both sides have to pile in.

The only way to stop it is strong punishments. Am sure people will laugh and say its over the top, but if both sides were thrown out of next years championship, am sure you would not see too many more of these 'melees' (cant stand this word).

There is a lot of focus on the eye gouging, as if the general fight and the eye gouging should be treated separately - dont agree with this at all. Any of the players that piled in were part of what happened.

If people truly believe that its unacceptable, then they should expect appropriate punishments.

morto for you

Joe Kernan put a Crossmaglen side together that won 3 All Ireland club titles between 1996 and 2000 when times were much tougher due to what you describe for that team than any of the present Armagh team wiithout any of the carry-on we have seen from Armagh this year, so I would not look at that as any type of valid excuse.