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Mayo GAA Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭rn


    I would have to disagree. Yes he made a daft error in injury time, but over all I thought he really delivered for Galway today when they were living on scraps in the period 5-15 mins. He was very good throughout the game. And his penalty was the highest pressure kick of the day and he converted it textbook.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭SeanJ09


    Sensing a couple of years in the doldrums for this Mayo team. That Galway team will push on after today's win in Croker, so getting the direct route out of Connacht might not be there anymore.


    Change needed from both a players and management perspective.


    Would like to see Rochford get another crack at it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Is there a better option out there than horan atm? Id say no. He makes mistakes, but who doesnt? From a purely pragmatic standpoint,id keep him.

    Oshea had a decent game today to be fair to him. We all give him plenty criticism when he has a quiet game so he deserves some praise today.

    I think we just ran out of road today. Too many injuries and guys off form. Probably lost a few big 50-50 decisions that we needed to go for us too - black card, keegans advantage-point attempt that wasnt brought back. They were at vital junctures. Kerry deserved the win. Hopefully someone gives galway a right clipping and i dont really mind after that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Audioslaven


    I wonder would McDonald take it and step into the role but maybe someone new is required as it would feel like the same. I'd say Rochford would jump at it again.

    Whoever comes in needs to call time with certain guys if they don't call it off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭Vish81


    Its his training methods and careless decision making that are causing all these injuries. buts its being happening every year during his 2nd tenure.

    Starting tommy Conroy for instance v Donegal on a Sunday evening knowing full well he had Sigerson duties following Tuesday, not to mention Tommy was up to his eye balls with commitments for his club too..

    He had literally no rest for 18 months..

    Baffling decision..

    ROD groin injury v Kildare which was a dead rubber, and was injected for the Galway game and it flared up again..

    Season ending, both avoidable .

    He has made his bed and needs to lay on it...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    heres the thing - Horan wasn’t at the Kildare game and there were 5 changes named to the starting line up that day. If Ryan’s injury was an issue then, then surely he would have featured in one of numerous changes that day?.

    as for Tommy Conroy, surely it’s not Horans fault for games he has to play in the future?. I find that logic odd, if I’m honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,688 ✭✭✭✭Cartman78


    Our match felt like a training game.....the Armagh crowd leaving sucked the life out of Croke Park.

    The end of the first game was insane...haven't seen anything like that in Croker since our own titanic battles with Dublin and the Limerick-Galway hurling final

    Kerry weren't that hectic although the left hand side of their attack destroyed us in the first half (the exact same as the league final iirc)....and as others have said, when we got on top after half time we completely shat the bed in front of goal...Kev McLoughlin's chance would have been buried by a Kerry player, and the balls dropping into the keepers hands was a killer.

    I have no strong opinions re: Horan tbh....if there's a strong candidate out there then give them a go by all means but no point giving him the bullet with no plan in place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    What commitments had Tommy with his club? He hadn't played club football since the relegation play off in October. He didn't play the fbd game vs Galway either. Loads of intercounty players around the country play Sigerson.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    There is no direct route put of Connacht anymore



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭Vish81


    He played all year, no rest , thats my point...all teams get injuries..

    As fans we need stop with the same old excuses and become critical and honest in our thinking..

    If we are so dependant on these players they should be wrapped in cotton wool , shouldn't see a ball until March ,the latter rounds of the league, and have them in peak condition for the championship..

    Media are blasting us this morning over excuses, and many honest fans out there are victim's of this shelling, and ts all down to a certain faction within the fan base who refuse to engage in reality..

    We are losing the Gra and respect of the nation with these hideous fans ..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Kev McLoughlin's chance would have been buried by a Kerry player

    That's complete bollix tbf, Kerry (Paudie C or Geaney I think) missed a much easier goal chance midway through the first half so they're not infallible by any means. D Clifford on the other hand might have finished McLoughlin's chance.

    It was the simple mistakes that killed us - overcooked handpass from McLaughlin, missed points from relatively central positions from DOC, Ruane, Cillian, etc.



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    Media are blasting us this morning over excuses

    What are they saying ?

    Watching the Sunday Game last night and both Cooper and Whelan were very much pointing out that Mayo were missing O'Donoghue and Conroy and that was a major factor in their season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,688 ✭✭✭✭Cartman78


    Maybe I didn't have a proper view of it so (from Lower Cusack near the Hill) but I thought it was a carbon copy of the Clifford goal....maybe a bit harsh on KMc but I thought he should have at least made the keeper work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭Vish81


    News talk, multiple articles lambasting our methods, not learning ect..

    Doesn't help matters when you have a gimp on OTB by the name of Nathan ,who's from Mayo and deliberately stereotypes himself as typical Mayo fan with delusionary Mayo4Sam nonsense, to hide this woeful lack of footballing knowledge..

    A College boy who has never kicked a ball or had any interest in football before he got this News talk role , and is using this stereotype on a annual basis , embarrassing us all.. and we all suffer mocking for it..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,611 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    It was also very similar to Geaneys chance who put it wide. Clifford's was probably the hardest of the three (he had a little bit more pressure on him, Geaney and Kev Mc were more or less free) and was expertly taken.

    Durcan seemed to be marking Clifford for the goal... Was this a switch from the sideline or was Durcan covering a burst from Oisin? Said it before the game but if you're man marking Clifford, that's all you should be doing, he's too dangerous to be leaving free when making runs up the pitch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭ethical


    Better to go out now than in the Final.

    Of course some Media will 'have a go' and we will take it on the chin and come back again.

    It is notable though that the same mistakes were very apparent again yesterday,the most blatant one being kicking the ball into the opposition 'keepers hands time and time again.Unforgiveable on the number of times it is happening in recent games. Team selection is also an issue.

    And what of the rumours,common knowledge really,of a certain forward supposedly injured but not injured at all.Just a cover up by manager as manager made a decision of looking after his own clubman when he became available! This sort of sh1t (and there must be some truth in the 'rumour') does not deserve Mayo getting to and winning an All Ireland any time soon.There are many hangers on in the Co.Board that do not give a damn if we won a title anytime soon,they are lining their pockets,win,loose, or draw.Its past time a few of them were culled. Look at the big picture,Mayo fans have contributed more money,many times going short at home,over the past 10-12 years to the central kitty and the Dublin economy.The previous year we did not get to the end game the 'takings' were down at HQ.Expect the same this time around.

    On a side note the Irish Indo had a brilliant feature on Lee Keegan on their Saturday edition,a man that almost single-handedly got us to the quarter finals this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Squatman


    he did, his black card was exemplary. when he went off, he wasn't missed on the score-board.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    Are these the same rumours, common knowledge that had Oisín Mullin out injured? It's crazy how these things just get made up out of thin air.

    Do you honestly think ROD was fit yesterday and didn't play?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭ethical


    ROD is a natural born with a winner/killer instinct.He has not featured in the past few games and no worthwhile 'news' on his injury by management.There was suppoosedly a 'falling out' with manager when he was relieved of his 'kicking duties' back in the Galway game.He (along with Tommy Goals) are the only naturally instinctive forwards we have presently.

    For all his great years of service COC is now a 20 minute off the bench player at best.No running from him yesterday to any balls put into the forwards.Management do not want to change this ,the thick headed ignorance is sometimes good! but in this instance its rotten and has cost us.

    D.McHale deserves a go and what of Darren Coen,made for Croke Parke, if his games in the past are anything to go by.He must be terrible in training if he dosent get a few game minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    In fairness to Coen, I thought he did alright yesterday. Kicked a nice point and picked up a good few breaks



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    It doesnt bother me what media say to be honest. Media is a bad joke at this stage. Click-bait rubbish and people trying to churn out articles.

    If there are valid points to be made then they should be made, what philly mcmahon or whoever thinks of it on their podcast or article etc isnt my concern. If someone wants to say that is an excuse to make a few quid, why should you or I care?

    Re horan, i repeat the same question, is there a superior alternative available?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    This is the problem for me. People arent fair in their analysis because of past performances. It was never a black card. He played well and kicked a great point too. Objectivity is key.

    Truth be told ruane has had poorer season than oshea this year. Not careful enough with possession and taking on daft shots. Therein lies a big issue of our season for me. Our middle third was badly out of form. Oshea, ruane, durkan, d oconnor were all off colour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Would largely agree with that - after a great start to the season, DOC has been poor enough in the last few games. For someone with so much potential, he doesn't deliver often enough for whatever reason. Ruane also poor this season after a brilliant year last year (excl. the final)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    No worthwhile news? It has been said for several weeks he has a groin injury. What were you hoping to hear? The supposed falling out is complete bullshit.

    Who would you have played yesterday instead of Cillian? Darren McHale was also injured.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭Vish81


    It does bother me beause rightly or wrongly media does influence the mind-sets of the general public whether right or wrong.. and it creates stigma..

    Same as politics..

    Re- next manager

    Jim Gavin for me, pay him whatever it takes.

    A 2yr financially attractive contract so he doesn't feel bogged down, so by then he will have ironed out our shot selection and movement issues in the final 3rd, leaving us in good stead for the next manager to continue his good work..

    Its a major problem that very few out there can fix..

    Not sure if there is anyone inside the walls of mayo that are good enough, but if we had to make an internal appointment i would have Rochford 1st, and maybe Dempsey 2nd .

    Thing i liked about Rochford was that he wasn't a tunnel vision manager, he ignored the league and connacht to a certain degree , and carefully managed players fitness levels so he had a full deck to play with at the business end of the season , and it no surprise Andy Moran had his best season under him when he implemented the kicking game..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    I saw this comment on the blog and I think there's a lot of truth to it:

    How many strong, powerful and lethal forwards have we produced in 70 years. Those kind of lads play in halfback centre field for their clubs in Mayo.

    In Kerry they play at centre forward or full forward

    A Geaney, Clifford or Sean O Se, Maurice Fitz etc would be midfielders/ halfbacks in Mayo where they would be encouraged to do solo runs all day.

    If you look back at the last 15-20 years, you could easily name 20 Mayo wing backs/grafting half forwards that were among the best in the country and it has to be down to where we choose to play our best players at club level i.e. in the middle 8 where they carry loads of ball. It's very difficult to change that mindset



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,688 ✭✭✭✭Cartman78


    Ruane didn't look right yesterday at all imho....he ran back around 50 mins after Moran (I think), we turned it over and Durcan or someone went tearing up the pitch....Ruane hobbled up to around the 45, was really huffing and puffing and just stopped and looked like he was going to puke.

    Don't want to single him out but was just in front of me in the stand so it really stood out.

    There was a few others that looked dead on their feet from half time onwards....we can all speculate about the reasons why but it could just simply be too many hard miles on the clock for some players



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    The point was made about our 6 starting forwards yesterday. Flynn, Diarmuid, Loftus and Carney are midfielders for their clubs. Kevin McLoughlin plays as a half back/sweeper for knockmore. So Cillian was the only natural forward in the team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    That's a fair point although I don't there's a load of top quality corner forwards in the county that we're not using. Players currently on the panel that you might look at for those corner forward positions would be:

    • Coen - can blow hot and cold but he's a man who'll take on a shot if nothing else, may not have the workrate required for IC football
    • Carr - shows flashes of brilliance, if he could do that even semi regularly, he'd make a huge difference for us
    • Orme - started the year well but tailed off; still v young and will make it IMO
    • Boland - can be very good at times, would like to see him getting more games
    • McHale - has been injured too much to get a run of games, I think he could offer a lot
    • Towey - played a bit during the league although generally seemed to play a good bit from goal
    • M Moran - seems to be injured a lot; came on last year against Belmullet and was v poor

    Anyone else? Others that might be worth a look are McStay, Heneghan & Walsh from Castlebar, Ruttledge, Colm Moran

    While all teams have injuries, I think we were particularly unlucky to have two injuries in an area where we don't have great backup



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    Is that a complete dreamlike desire similar to Clifford relocating to Castlebar transferring to Mitchell’s and declaring for Mayo county football? Because it’s just as likely. Gavin has some director role in the Irish Aviation authority, has all his family and life in Dublin, has achieved everything in the game and more, would be extremely loyal to Dublin football…to name but a few reasons, in fact the Clifford scenario I mentioned is a lot more likely than Gavin managing Mayo.



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