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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Russia cannot be apeased it won't stop expansion while been funded by the west

    Its own ineptitude will stop that expansion and the longer this goes the less that risk remains. They will also struggle to hold what they have and to replace equipment.

    You might want to read up on the Asia energy situation.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What’s worse, a “keyboard warrior” or a ‘It’s pointless defeatist”?

    Do you think you are revealing NATO secrets here that this is tough for Ukraine or that Russia might up the barbarity?

    I do think it’s important to challenge the doom and gloom merchants or those that trot out the bleeding obvious “That must be bad for morale”. If the Ukrainians aren’t giving up, neither should we. Do you want Zekensky to appear on TV and say, this is on a knife’s edge, the Russians may win?

    I’ve no doubt there are plenty natives on boards.ie that would love to see Western culture get a bloody nose. I’m not one of those.



  • Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I was called everything under the sun and accused of all sorts by a certain poster yesterday when I stated pulling back from that city won’t be good for morale. It was one of the craziest leaps I have ever seen. Severely unhinged.

    Not sure what your discussion was about but I agree it is not in any way objective in here.

    I am 100% behind Ukraine and I want them to win. I hate Putin with a passion. But you cannot in anyway post about developments on the battlefield if they are negative for Ukraine or you get accused of all sorts. It is utterly unhinged, echo chamber. Only post positive things or else.

    Russia had a disastrous start to this war, that’s well documented. The war has changed since then, both have suffered heavy losses. This war could still go either way, no one can predict anything with certainty but you won’t get an honest picture on here. Selective posts galore.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Can you do me a favour, post up a contribution of yours where you posted bad news re Russia in this war? I can recall several where you posted bad news re Ukraine’s position. Is that just a coincidence?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭shivaz


    A long way from the battlefield near Estonia.Partisan activity,accident or special derailing operation?




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,646 ✭✭✭rogber


    That's the very problem on this thread, anyone who isn't relentlessly positive and militant is labelled either a Russian stooge or a defeatist. With a tiny group of troll exceptions that is not at all what we are. Nearly all of us are fully supportive of Ukraine and full of admiration for the incredible resistance they've shown. We're just being realistic and saying Ukraine is facing some major difficulties and the fairytale David versus Goliath ending of sending the Russians running is looking increasingly unlikely.

    And you can be absolutely sure that behind the scenes at the G7 there is a lot of talk of compromise and what solution beyond total Ukrainian victory might be acceptable. It should be possible to discuss that here without immediately being attacked or told "you have a hardon for Russia" and other such idiotic insults.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,646 ✭✭✭rogber




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Nothing new in this as Putin has been talking about doing the same things for 3 months now. I am puzzled by Lukashenko on one hand he is trying to keep his country out of the war and on the other hand he wants all that Russian hardware in his country. What is his game? Putin wants support from another country and I am only surprised that one of his patsies in the est has not yet come on board. I know Kazakhstan has no time for Putin but what about the rest of them. No one seems to want to help Russia even though it's clear Putin is trying to drag someone them into the war. What about the odd attempt coup in Kazak 4 months ago. Was that an attempt by Putin to put in place a more friendly regime that could be called upon to help Russia in its war? Considering how easy Europe rowed in behind Ukraine and NATO and of course, the USA. Putin sure does look as though he is on his own. That must be killing Putin slowly.

    Hopefully, the Ukraine does not take the bate and attack Belarusian territory. that's what Putin wants. Hopefully too more missile defence gear will be supplied to Ukraine very soon. Those Iskander missiles are now a big threat to Kyiv.

    Dan.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In what way do you feel frustrated? In practical terms, what impact do you think this perceived impartiality has?



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That G7 discussion, despite your certainty, is speculation to everyone else. Nobody on this thread is in doubt as to the dangers facing Ukraine.

    And there are obvious trolls and not so obvious trolls. Some here would like Ukrainian support to dwindle. They can post to that effect, but won’t go unchallenged.

    For example, to my mind pulling back from Severodonetsk was the smart strategy. Clearly, leave the Russians to their pyrrhic victory and hit them as they try to cross the river. Someone else chimed in ”That can’t be good for morale”?

    To what end that comment?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The UK, US, Canada and Japan will ban imports of Russian gold in the latest stage of the effort to cripple Russia’s economy in response to the war in Ukraine, the Press Association reports. Gold exports were worth $15.2bn to Russia in 2021. The ban is due to come into force shortly and will apply to newly mined or refined gold.

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  • Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What are you even talking about? Why are you even mentioning Zelensky? We are talking about this forum, I don’t think Zelensky is reading this forum, what is said in this forum has no impact on the war or morale. Stating facts on the battlefield isn’t giving up and I hate to break it to you but it doesn’t matter 1 **** or not if you give up because you’re not in Ukraine . You’d seriously want to get a grip.

    Thanks for proving my point, that you must “challenge” facts that aren’t positive for Ukraine on the battlefield. You call it doom and gloom, no it’s just balanced. The irony is you’re very Putin like in how you try stamp out facts you don’t like and accuse that person of being x y and z.

    And trotting out the bleeding obvious was in relation to a post that tried to turn them pulling out of the city yesterday as something rosy. It needed a dose of reality hence the bad for morale. Just as it was bad for Russian morale when they fled the outskirts of Kyiv.

    And to you follow on post, I’ve called for Putin to be hung at The Hague several times in here, expressed how much I hate him countless times as I can still see you’re going with I’m a Putin bot conspiracy for simply stating yesterday won’t be good for morale.

    Now you can try and live in alternative fragile world where everything is rosy and Ukraine is winning easy and any facts are seen as doom and gloom Putin botters that is fine with me. The reality is the war is tough on both sides and could still go either way. I hope Ukraine wins and Putin gets murdered , Russia has an uprising and embraces democracy.

    Rte news just now said yesterday was a serious setback for Ukraine. I guess they’re now Putin bots who need to be challenged too. Grow up and get in the real world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,646 ✭✭✭rogber


    So basically anyone who disagrees with you is wrong, anyone who isn't relentlessly positive is secretly waging a campaign to undermine Ukraine. Interesting set of assumptions on which to engage in public discussion and reveals quite a lot about character.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I didn’t ask you to say if you dislike Putin. I asked you to show the balance you seem to be asking of everybody else, where have you posted bad news re Russian developments? I can recall you posting several times re Ukrainian set backs.

    Or, have you taken on the pro Russian developments PR to give balance… balance to the invading, civilian murdering/raping Russian invaders?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Well, President Joe has Putin on a string here. Russia will default somewhere along the line. I am keen to see how the 'Krummeylin' spins its way out of that when it happens.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It won't matter that much, they owe very little as is.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,288 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It more reveals basic human nature when "Them" Versus "Us" narratives are at play. We pick a side and that's pretty much that. Critical thinking goes on holiday.

    Russian supporters in this a very good example. No matter what facts and history are laid at their feet they ignore them, avoid them, or go on the attack. That's how propaganda works and native Russians have been suckled on it from birth. When a lie, or better again a half truth, is told often enough and cleverly enough the majority of people in a society will reject any questioning of that lie. It's too easy to just go on accepting it as our peers do. In fact questioning it can be too painful, because if your beliefs are based on a lie or half truth and you acknowledge that, you risk angering your peers in the same lie, maybe even suffering for that and maybe worse again, realising that you're a fool that's been lied to. This is what autocrats have always relied upon. Religions too.

    And lest we think the rest of the world doesn't live by and believe half truths and lies and our own culturally Accepted Truths, we do. They're just different ones. The singular difference between a more free society and a captive one is that the former has more dissentors and more access to critical thinking and more access to ways to spread critical thinking without the risks, often mortal ones found in captive societies.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I posted 1 battlefield story on this entire thread and it was last night. I posted the story from sky news last night of the Ukrainian commander stating they lost 80% of their elite force which had been together from 2018. I posted it because it is significant to the war, not for any of those sick reasons you tried to label at me. Is the Ukrainian commander who told sky news also all those things you’re accusing me of for repeating what he said? Just a scummy way to behave.

    See the trouble you have is that your emotionally unhinged. You cannot separate the two things. You can be entirely in support of Ukraine and analysis objectively what is happening on the ground vs the opposing troops. That’s what those retired generals who go on TV to give analysis do, they’re for Ukraine but will state how the war is going for both sides. They won’t let bias come in to their analysis on the actual war. Whereas, you think the person is a Putin bot if they mention anything bad about the war and make disgusting allegations. Not much hope for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,781 ✭✭✭weisses


    He is posting from northern Siberia ... Give him some slack



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭shivaz


    Despite using his most expensive missiles launched from jets in the caspian sea in this highly strategic operation,Putins plan failed,one of his biggest threats is safe in hospital and receiving the best care.

    photo_2022-06-26_15-02-51.jpg

    "A 7-year-old girl, who was rescued from the rubble of a house in Kyiv today, was operated on. Now her condition is stable.The child has moderate explosive injuries, numerous wounds and bruises."





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭zv2


    The person that was killed and his injured wife and child were Russian citizens.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭zv2


    Post edited by zv2 on

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Russia is on the verge of its first loan default since 1998 as it is certain to miss Sunday’s deadline to make $100m interest payments.

    Russia has the money and is willing to pay, but sanctions have made it impossible for international creditors to receive payments.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The aim here is to embarrass Russia and remind them of where they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭shivaz


    Snake Island may be hit again

    Interesting picture showing how close artillery is to the Romanian/Nato border..may not be accurate info but it makes sense.

    photo_2022-06-26_15-54-32.jpg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭zv2


    Sigh. I told them 5 pages ago to stay off that island. Neither side is going to have it.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Kiev back in the cross hairs again, surely not

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭shivaz




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