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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,246 ✭✭✭ardinn


    Police cars seen rushing to kremlin (tic tok video!) about 2 hrs ago, and lots of them.


    I'll take a gamble and say the video is real and putin is dead.


    R.I.P - he wasnt a bad aul divil



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,846 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Hoping to wake up to hear that parasite is dead…. though a quick death is too good for him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Saw the Putin convoy on Twitter. Looks like he left the immersion on in the Kremlin.

    Some wag on Twitter:

    Ah yes, he rushed to the Kremlin because the "everything is OK" alarm went off at 11pm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Good NYT article detailing -or at least speculating with a high degree of certainty- the level of clandestine assistance being provided to the Ukrainians.

    *US pulled out their Special Forces military instructors at war's onset

    *Special Forces units from France, UK, Canada and Lithuania (but not US) are in-country providing advice

    *Stay-behind CIA units are coordinating intelligence sharing with Ukrainian government in Kyiv

    *Article acknowledges that these stay-behind units are high-risk for Western countries, but Russians are probably clued-in to the fact they are there anyway

    *Bases in Germany, France and UK are being used for accelerated training programmes for Ukrainian forces on advanced weapons systems. 20 nations involved in the accelerated training programmes for Ukrainians.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/25/us/politics/commandos-russia-ukraine.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭Rawr




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭zv2


    It is simple. There is a lot of talk about nato and nazis but the glaring fact is that Russia has lost all moral authority in this war; mass murder, rape of children, tearing up the Geneva convention, the list goes on. Their crimes are apocalyptic. For this reason and for this reason alone they should be burned out of Ukraine. For me it is no longer a political question, it is a moral question. And Russia has utterly disgraced its army and its leadership.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭Economics101


    This morning we hear of Russian missile strikes on residential areas of Kyiv. Many comments that this is to send some sort of message to the G7 meeting in Bavaria. If so, it is yet another proof of the crazy and depraved nature of the gangster regime in Moscow.

    is Putin trying to provoke the West into getting more directly involved, like having no-fly zone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,317 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Great militarily effective use of their limited stock of cruise missiles there!

    Seems like it is Putin who is on tilt.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Isn't this firing missiles randomly and pointlessly at Ukrainian cities just a Russian thing?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Probably in response to the HIMARS supplied by the US.



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Id imagine they have weighed odds,and it looks obvious the west arent going to get involved in any real substancial way,other than armaments supplied,the hard slog is left near entirely to ukrainians,who are losing their best troops in a dogfight they wont win......and this attack is designed to break spirit of citizens in kyiv,showing they strike it at will,with nothing to stop em



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,633 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Why do you say the Ukrainians are in a dogfight they cant win? They are getting more and more heavy weaponry and long range weaponry with should give them a substantial advantage over the aging Russian equipment

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Simply be weight of numbers russia will beat them,not by any great military prowess or tactics,


    Russia can drag ukraine into protracted fights and then popup launch attacks elsewhere,disappear again,stretching ukrainian defences as they will need to be able to cover everywhere at once, (curiously same will apply in russian occupied areas into future).......without a substancial help/deployment of nato/us forces russia wont be dislodged by ukraine forces alone next year,as they will dig in over the winter

    ,next year will be an horrendous bloodbath,level unseen in europe since the balkens, in eastern ukraine as they attempt to force russia out and russian backed paramilitaries begin operating againest civilians there (the wagner group is long suspected of operating there already)......the refusal to enforce a nofly zone was a horrendous mistake i feel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭shivaz


    Your entire post is wishful thinking.The Ukraine forces are well able to slog it out.The "tantrum" bombing of Kiev will not break Ukraine spirit,this bombing will do the opposite.Ukraine are shooting down between 30/50% of missiles launched so "nothing to stop em" is nonsense or ignorance from you.

    The weapons fired this morning are expensive and russia do not have a large supply of these left.Wasting these weapons on "tantrum" bombings helps Ukraine with the military side of the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭shivaz


    This post is all wishful thinking again of what will happen next winter and next year!calm down and ground your self,it's midsummer.

    The 3 day war and the great tank battle of the Donbas were all similar predictions so predict away,if that is what excites you.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Agreed re morale. Blitz spirit and all that.

    Two choices

    1. Support the fight and take your close to lottery chances of being killed by a missile.
    2. Give in and be ruled by people who would happily bomb you.

    what would you choose?



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If russia can strike kyiv with 50% of cruise missle,whats to stop them striking kyiv with 50% of its nuclear missles??

    I certainly wouldnt want to be waking up there with that over my head,the brits marched into iraq with highly questionable evidence saddam could hit london and were backed to hilt by media,kyiv can be hit with 50% of missiles can be fired at it and noone coming to their help.....i dont see bombing kyiv helps ukraines military


    Noone doubts ukraine are well able to slog it out,they are much braver and fighting a much tougher war than was fought anywhere in the middle east,just the level of attriction is unsustainable and will be worse next year as they attempt to dislodge russia,they simply havnt manpower to do it,and will need outside help,


    Are usa and nato willing to break emselves and western econmies,lose 100K troops to drive russia out of eastern ukraine???looks to me that is what will be necessary,a horrendous ground war that noone sane wants,but necessary



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You do see the difference between blowing up part of an apartment block and destroying the whole of Kyiv.

    Thats different levels of insane. If he’d go that far, why not target New York?

    Putin above all else wants the best for Putin. Firing nuclear weapons without any foreign soldiers on Russian soil is close to MAD as you could get… nobody knows what would happen next, including Putin, so that’s not going to happen.

    Yes, it’s horrific, but there are enough Ukrainians to hold up the Russians with western support. What other choice have they got?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    NATO forces would not fight a ground war, aerial strikes alone would have Russia crippled in a week.


    Russia are using equipment that was old in the first Iraq war in the 90s.


    They are decades behind the West militarily.


    I think the concern for NATO would be that a mild intervention by a token force of theirs would see such a rapid collapse and destruction of the Russian army that it might destabilise the entire country.


    The artillery the Russians use are about 60 years old, and have about half the range of Western artillery and artillery.



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  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The next 6 to 8 weeks will see the winter in,and ask the nazi how fighting wars in east in winter geos


    Russia will dig in,to strong defensive positions (whereevr they will be come then),and the fight likely resume in earnest next spring/winter as ukraine will likely attempt to dislodge em(they even admit its likely next spring before they can massive counter offensives)......do you honestly see this playing out any different?



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They basically flattened mariupol,what would another city leveled be to em??


    The ukrainians dont have any other choice,but they are not going to win this war alone,russia will beat em by sheer numbers alone



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What? In 6 weeks time it will be the start of August - 8 weeks still the middle of August. Winter setting in? Again, what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭shivaz


    6 to 8 weeks time is August!!You've got winter in your head.I think you are a christmas lover.What is santa bringing you?..a nuclear bomb?



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sheer numbers? Russia isn’t as populace as you may think. Will Russia destroy its population to take Ukraine? I doubt it. Check out the respective populations and the number of attackers you need to overcome defenders and it looks fairly even. No way are Ukraine overwhelmed by numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Maybe to-day's attack on Kyiv might be intended to break Ukrainian morale, but surely it will strengthen the hand of Biden and Johnson against the weaker elements in the G7 (Macron and Scholz).

    Goes once again to show Putin as the master strategist. 😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,146 ✭✭✭thomil


    This whole concept of using air raids to try to break the will of a population has been proven false multiple times at this point anyway. It didn’t work when the Germans tried it during the Blitz. It didn’t work when the Allies conducted mass air raids against any major German population centre, and it certainly didn’t work in case of the firebombing campaign against Japan. It’ll definitely not work against Ukraine, especially since the level of bombardment is nowhere near what any of my examples above suffered. The stories of one of my grandmothers of the firebombing of Hamburg that she witnessed still stick with me today.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭rogber


    This line has been trotted out for weeks now yet even Ukraine admit it's an extremely difficult phase of the war and public opinion polls across Europe show a majority of people are now more concerned about rising prices than they are about Ukraine winning the war, and even staunch supporters of Ukraine talk of fatigue and splits in unity.

    The war is in a critical phase and could yet tip either way. All objective media are in agreement on this. Yet the same group of keyboard warriors here, thousands of kilometres away from any danger, keep insisting final Ukrainian victory is just around the corner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    If russia can strike kyiv with 50% of cruise missle,whats to stop them striking kyiv with 50% of its nuclear missles??

    Grand so, that's 800 deployed nuclear missiles fired at one city. You might want to join that thought up a little bit more.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    Kyiv needs an Iron dome or patriot system now euro leaders must act

    The winter Ukraine needs long range artillery & f16s 2 protect them

    Russia cannot be apeased it won't stop expansion while been funded by the west

    China NK India all capable of trading arms for Russian oil so they won't run out of weapon and some parts of Asia have cheaper energy



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