Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

We will see 😏

Good point except for one thing. You would need to be a Ukranian living in Ukraine a as your residence to understand

- what Russia is like ‘as a neighbour,;

-what Russia is capable of doing - Georgia and Crimea comes to mind- ;,

-how individuals , who object to the official line, are treated,

-how Russia operates in Syria - it’s a ‘bit’ further away than west Ukraine

-Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Now, having knowledge of the above and even , directly or indirectly , experienced some of the same , would you hang around anyplace in Ukraine in the hope that Russia would bomb, kill , level in a small part of Ukraine and then GO HOME. Would you, in the shoes of a normal Ukranian citizen remain on someplace in Ukraine or leave Ukraine to somewhat guarantee your safety. Why would refugees flood , for example Poland and Moldova - massively stretching the provision of services there and not finding refuge in West of Ukraine instead.

while you are considering the above remember that Russia bombed Luiv which is not in east Ukr

and why would mainly women and children go to a far away island when they have a very strong desire to be with/ near their families , etc. Would Poland, Moldova, Litunia or even Germany be a much better choice

i think the answer to your query is a bit more complex than the reasons put forward in other posts

Wholeheartedly agree, hadnt the engery to list of numerous Dastardly neighbours around the world or indeed "Allied" nations previous and indeed ongoing disgraceful behaviour 😏

Some have said he's a right wing nut job, I'm more interested on his response to MM virtue signalling speech, hard to argue with Swedens own recent history on the subject.

No no. It all our fault. It’s all the normal Irish citizens fault. Sure everything is.

I think most people under stand what this Bizzare directive (Instruction, Dictat) is, its a poorly worded, incoherent, poorly thought out pile claptrap. Its wording is so poorly put together, it would be rejected if handed in as a project from a first year law student.

Not only ambiguous, confused and slapped together, it's construct, essentially encourages people to take advantage and to be blunt, take the absolute pee.

It may have been well intended but my god its astonishing not a single member state questioned what it would mean for their respective country, its actually border line neglect and lack of understanding of their responsibilities to their own citizens.

At a minimum, Countries should have been given some leeway to control Numbers,

At a minimum some limitations on incentivizing abuses.

At a minimum Member states should have had discretion on financial supports they had to offer incoming Refugee's (Irish government already use such discretion when it comes to "Other" refugees.

At a minimum a clearly defined period of refuge, yes there's mention of time frames but essentially put in as almost an aside.

At a minimum member states being able to be honest about there ability to take in unlimited numbers and explain infrastructure limitations . Albeit Honesty, something, politicians struggle with at the best of times.

In essence, EU Leadership, decided without a moment of reflection, told Member States, this is what you'll do, now get on with it, feck the consequences.

This directive will turn out to be one of the costliest mistakes in EU history and not just financially.

In essence, EU Leadership, decided without a moment of reflection, told Member States, this is what you'll do, now get on with it, feck the consequences

Nope, it was voted on unanimously, Denmark had a veto but they passed a law to mimic the directive.