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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,006 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Just watched a clip on independant.ie Carol Nolan asked questions as to WTF is going on.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,006 ✭✭✭Feisar


    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    A number but had been careful and cautious, I suspect the gloves are coming off. TD'S must be hearing disquiet on the ground , either that or they need their ears examined.

    Michael Fitzmaurice

    The Healy Raes

    Paul Murphy (Your Hero 😏)

    Peadar Tóibín

    Richard Boyd Barrett

    Brid Smith

    James O Connor (FF) although quietened down a lot.

    Very telling , mainly independent TD's, normally very close to the ground in their constituencies and clearly hearing unhappiness on the ground.

    I predict SD , TD'S will be next although some to have questioned Policy and stretching of resources etc.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Bully boy tactics, plain and simple, Darragh O Briens behaviour was a disgrace, along with Paul Mc Cauliffes and its now abundantly clear government will throw the Racist and anti refugee grenade in, the minute an elected representative not in government dares to question this shambles and farce.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,414 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    Lots of resources available to teach Ukrainian kids English, one kid started in the local school, EAL hours applied for and two days later they were granted, the speed and ease of this was unheard of before.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭keoclassic




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,006 ✭✭✭Feisar


    It's bullshit spin tactics. Not answering the question but asking another loaded one. BUT she needs to have the answer to that crappy question lined up. And it's a piece of piss to do so because it'll be the same one they trot out each time.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,533 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Carol Nolan says:

    As I understand it, the numbers arriving into Ireland are now at the rate of 1,500 per month. I am conscious this is a difficult and sensitive issue and we must tread carefully if we are to avoid blame being targeted at those who least deserve it. However, I am convinced that if we do not learn to find some way of exploring in a grown-up, pragmatic and constructive way the links between unsustainable levels of inward migration or asylum into this State and housing, then we will never find a meaningful solution to an already overwhelming crisis. We can no longer bury our heads in the sand when it comes to these issues. Our political system must find a way to talk maturely and openly about these issues without fear.

    The Minister will be aware that, in May, the Government was warned that the arrival of tens of thousands of refugees posed a risk to social cohesion and integration, particularly in deprived communities. That risk will be massively increased and will continue to grow and become more widespread unless we seek to ensure that our barely functioning immigration system is brought under control. Does he agree that it would be a lose-lose scenario for everyone involved and particularly for those who have now been homeless for some time if we did not bring this under control quickly?

    Minister for Housing responds:

    I respectfully suggest that the Deputy's comments this afternoon pose a risk to social cohesion. I want to be very clear on behalf of the Government. Government has been very clear, particularly regarding our response to our friends from Ukraine. We will take in as many Ukrainian citizens fleeing the brutal war foisted upon them through no fault of their own as we must. We will not introduce any caps in that regard.

    Our housing response is in addition to Housing for All. Let us be very clear; there is no blurring of the lines here. I referenced that earlier on. We have the most significant housing plan in the history of the State involving €4bn a year in Exchequer investment. It will deliver 300k homes between now and 2030. We are on track to deliver..


    Deputy Nolan has walked a very fine line here this afternoon. What she is effectively calling for is a cap on immigration and asylum seekers in this country. Let us be clear. I am calling that out. That is what she is calling for. We will not support that.

    We will not support a cap on Ukrainians coming here who have fled a war foisted upon them through no fault of their own. As far as I know, all parties, with the exception of the Deputy and her colleagues, support that approach. Does it pose challenges for us? Of course it does. Do the Irish people realise that? Yes, of course they do. This is a welcoming country.

    Over our history as a people, we have had to seek safe harbour all across the world. We were treated very badly in some of those countries. We are not going to allow that to happen here in Ireland. Our Housing for All plan is robust and will deliver the houses we need. The provision of longer-term accommodation and housing for Ukrainians and, indeed, those from the Middle East, Africa and other places who are seeking safe harbour is in addition to that. Does the Deputy want to draw a distinction between different groups who come here? Is that what she is asking me to do?

    Worth looking at the debate https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2022-06-22a.71



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Not that article I don't think but certainly what happened, appalling bully boy tactics, thanks for link 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭bb12



    there's no way in hell that WEF young global leader Leo is gonna do a runner and pass up his chance to grab power again in this country in December.


    It comes at a frightening time having seen what his fellow WEF puppet Trudeau has turned Canada into in recent months

    And not to forget the other WEF global leader in the Southern hemisphere making a disaster out of New Zealand



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,006 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Gript.ie? Whereas the Independent's headline was very different. She needed to go to town on him and have a paper ready to run with it. Not the "Independent" but if necessary a local one and build noise from there. Plus, get a cohort of TDs together on the issue.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    The Minister actually had no right according to Dail rules to ask her anything, he was obliged to take questions, do his job and answer questions posed to him. Horrid individual.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,337 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Me thinks he knows it’s a convenient excuse for his handling of the housing situation. Sure we had to house 50,000 extra people, don’t blame me.



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You mean, mainly TDs who are only worried about keeping their seats at the next election! Empty vessels.

    SD TDs are probably lying low after the embarrassment of Gary Cannon having to pay back some expenses that he wasn’t entitled to after only attending 108 days despite the Dail sitting on his doorstep. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/td-forced-to-pay-back-1000-expenses-due-to-poor-attendance-41788265.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭keoclassic




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭olestoepoke




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Actually not at all, clearly TD'S ignoring what's going on, do so at their peril, as I said quite clearly, Independent TD'S tend to be closer to the ground in terms of listening to and dealing with their constituents, indeed Carol Nolan my local TD, I didn't vote for her but may next time round, is literally the only TD who bothers to have regular pop up clinics around the constituency, I've not seen a single one from SF, FF or FG in my village since last election.

    Not much point in linking a pay wall article that is utterly irrelevant to the discussion , I presume another nonsensical and silly swipe.

    Have you seen the full list, you seem to be inferring only Gannon ( who I admire and is actually one of the hardest working constituency TD in the current Dail) is the only TD who had to return expenses 🤔🤔🤔🤔

    Gary Gannon will almost definitely be re elected next time round, I'd not be so confident for a large number of Government TD'S.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Whilst not wishing to labour my point @[Deleted User]

    Latest Poll out and it's Grim for FFGG

    Independents doing quite nicely 😏


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,536 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    Most of the Independents can't be trusted not to just make things worse, none of the small left wing parties obviously, and as populist as sinn fein are I doubt they'd do anything different than FFG here.

    Seeing #Irelandisfull trending, and just thinking a great hash tag to bombard SF with would be #weourselves or ourselves alone or whatever is the closest translation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    I'm not sure why but every time I watch Darragh O' Brien speak I think of Napoleon from Orwells's Animal Farm

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    How soon will the Ukrainians get on the vote register? I imagine pretty quickly considering everything is fast tracked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,637 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Not only does he have to take questions but all questions are sent to the minister in advance of that days sitting so he was well prepared for this tirade. It was some heat of the moment comment, rather a well planned attempt to shutdown debate.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    The only thing stopping this being fast tracked (open to correction) is I believe the period of residency covered by the bizzare EU directive can not be used in terms of a citizenship application but like everything, I'd not be surprised if a way was found to fast track citizenship which would make a mockery out of the process.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    You are absolutely 100% correct and the same happened at another lively exchange recently, I won't stray into that as off topic 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    I wouldn't call it a debate, mature grown-up debates on any subject are not something we have in this Republic, Verboten innit



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The most important details are in the first paragraph. Gannon May be a hardworking constituency TD, but he’s neglecting his constituents by failing to turn up to work in the Dail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    No they are not, the entire Details of the article and all TDs named are what is important.

    You seem not to understand that his absence may have something to do with the fact he's actually tending to his constituents and their needs. Where for example has Alan Kelly been, since he was dropped kicked 🤔

    I'd also wager Hannon as actually asked more questions in the Dail than main party or independent TD'S. He was by far one of the most inquisitive TD'S in the Dail/Convention Centre throughout the pandemic.

    Why you even linked this article is a mystery, obviously a diversion tatic that won't work.

    Where you happy with tonights Poll 🤔, I was 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A TDs place of work is in Dáil Éireann. It’s what they are elected to. If a politicians main concern is local politics, then they stand for the council n



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Your really clutching at straws now to deflect from the topic

    A TD'S job is to represent their constituents (Clearly many forgetting that basic principal)

    To define the Dail as a place of work for elected representatives a little disingenuous, they have both an office in government buildings and in their constituency. The only people directly employed in the Dail are staff employed their to help run and manage it, I believe employed by the OPW.

    Why your harping on about this is bewildering, I get you've little in response to the ongoing farce the Thread Topic is dealing with but this nonsense your using to deflect is just being silly.

    As for what councilors do, you know full well they deal specifically with local authority matters and may assist members of the public with specific issues relating to local authority issue's that effect them, most notably housing. Councillors in the over all scheme of things politically and in particular national issues are as useful as using a bucket to hold steam.

    You also clearly never heard the expression, "All politics is Local" I'm originally from Dublin and perhaps its different their but I can tell you categorically, this expression is actually very true when it comes to rural politics.

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    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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