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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lovely. What a fine bunch of upstanding individuals.

    Maybe we could re-home a few of them with one of the cheerleaders on this thread who believes they that our capacity is limitless.

    I’m sure that poster won’t be found wanting the in this moment of need, particularly given that their personal circumstances mean that very are very much suited to welcoming guests into their home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,295 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Illegal workers aren’t something to sneer about- they steal from all us honest taxpayers- who the hell do you think pays their healthcare when they get ill (and low paid tend to need public healthcare more as they can’t afford private).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,072 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Any more people makes a difference. I don't give a **** if they're Ukrainians, Irish, Martians or whatever. There are too many people here already for the resources we have. So we can either create more resources (and our government are fcuking useless so that isn't happening) or we stop the people coming in. We can't keep adding more and expecting things to not get worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It is interesting to note though that a lot of the posters who see no upper limit to Ukrainian Refugees are coming from people who have a radial free market perspective on economics and life.


    Maybe there is a racist slant against the Ukrainians, some might see them as too blond



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 AnaB


    I hope you can watch with translation. This lady has a French husband and she was in Ukraine when war started. She was lucky to escape back to France and helped the refugees upon her return. But now she’s so angry re welfare tourism, she is explaining what s happening in France - same story like here. So many are just trying to get to the South of France and receive benefits. 🥳



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,750 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Unfortunately it’s the tact of some to accuse any person questioning or disagreeing with what’s happening as racist. The aim is to try shut down debate and discussion so that their own perspective is heard the loudest. A see through disingenuous tactic.

    racism is discrimination.

    there is no country I can go to to be in the receipt of help on the levels that are being dished out to new arrivals here.

    is that racism ? Am I being discriminated against ? Nope. I’m just not entitled. :) nor should I be…

    “hey Strumms, here is a place to live, unlimited free public transport, healthcare, free education and a cash payment every week, ohh and welcome”

    That would just be mental …



  • Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    they're certainly not fictitious. Why would you say that?

    Anyway the work they do does not require English. The work I do does so I'm probably ok for now, no need to worry about me.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,503 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Posts deleted

    AFAIK the Red Cow is not being used to house Ukrainians (at least that is what was reported a week or so ago)

    If anyone has other info drop me a PM



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 AnaB


    We need ask her how much is this:)) though great choice with Riviera refuge 🌴🌞 👍



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,926 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    How many social houses could be built for €3bn?

    10,000?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    Kingspan insulation is on the way down in price along with Steel. We could do 10,120.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,469 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Or fewer carer hours for our elderly? Fewer special needs assistants? Money that could have been spent reducing waiting lists? No, let’s spend it on looking after unlimited asylum seekers and Ukrainian? 3 billion!!!



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A benefit of your "too many people" is there are more working than in the history of the state which means the tax receipts are higher than ever, govt spending is higher than ever as a result and so on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,295 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    More mouths to feed, educate, look after etc means less for everyone else- the economy is faltering badly now so I’d expect tax take to follow. This kind of reckless expenditure is terrifying given the state we were in.

    Offering unlimited and unquestioned welfare to total strangers is beyond any comprehension and unprecedented really



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,750 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    We take in more but we are spending more of that income…

    you don’t hear any politicians announcing capital projects as a result of this influx ? Great our tax intake will increase xx% so let’s get more metro lines, metro west won’t happen because of funding, that’s the official line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,072 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Its propping up a deck of cards by just stacking more cards underneath it though.

    More people working - more tax receipts - more public spending - prices go up etc. Life isnt getting better here for anyone working. The money I pay on taxes gets me nothing for it and because there's so much waste, I need private healthcare (which is also way over capacity), can't get a house, no public transport that I can even use to get to work without walking for ever.

    Life in this country is absolutely sh1t, and instead of the government doing anything about that, they just make it sh1tter by bringing in more people.



  • Posts: 577 ✭✭✭ Kaiden Sticky Manic


    The polish had the right idea give them a certain amount of time on benefits and then cut them off, let them get a job and provide for themselves. Hearing how the minister responding in the dail today, I dont think they will even discuss the idea, I wonder will any incentive be put on them to get a job, if they have free accommodation plus benefits money, what incentive do they have?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3


    Any money made here will be sent back to Ukriane. Its easier now with revoult. Most poles working here bought land and built new houses back home and the Ukrianinans will do the same. Leech the Irish tax payer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,453 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    The Ukraine family we are housing maybe moving out and given a house in village I live. For them it be great but apparently lot of people turned it down which I'm surprised at. Yes it's a village but buses pass here every two hours (good services) in both directions and plus got few shops and all.

    The family we are housing are so grateful but they be crazy turn it down if they do want move in. The sharing has been going great and 2 kids are loving new school since they started after Easter.

    EVENFLOW



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone


    Giving a house in the village? I thought they wouldn't be getting homes already planned for non Ukrainians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,994 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Bless your cotton socks. We just spent nearly 2 years with 100's of thousands forced out of work and it barely registered on the income tax take for the government. The simple reality is that those in lower paying jobs (and there's a lot of those working today in these jobs) pay virtually no tax.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Indeed. However, this point simply doesn’t register.

    In some imbecilic minds, all of the Ukrainians landing here are high skilled engineers and healthcare professionals who just need to learn the language and get a start. This is despite the fact that the influx is ostensibly young mothers, children, and pensioners.

    Don’t you know that these people will revitalize the workforce and drive up the tax base. After that, the cup truly does runneth over for everybody!

    And when thing turns to ****, those same morons will desperately trawl media sources for some moronic puff pieces about a Ukrainian who joined tidy towns or something else equally heartwarming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,204 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Let's be abundantly clear here. The Red Cow like many hotels was used at the start of this crisis.

    Contracts were then entered into with designated hotels for long term accommodation to house Ukrainian refugees, The Red Cow Hotel is NOT one of them.

    Since contracts were signed, most notably the City West venue, Ukrainian refugees were not sent to the Red Cow.

    This said, and it was widely reported on, indeed mentioned on this thread, the Red Cow was used as an emergency venue to accommodate refugees from other countries, notably Somalia, Syrian, Afghanistan, Yemen etc and admitidly in dreadful facilties, namely the Hotels ballroom, the minister actually had to apologise at the time and again this widely reported. These refugees were part of an agreed program government entered into before Covid pandemic, it was put on hold and whilst timing unfortunate, they arrived in the middle of a new crisis in Ireland. UP to 500 arrived about a month ago.

    As for the incident, a few metres away from the Ballroom, I don't know when it occurred, what the circumstances were but I do know there was tensions given the cramped nature of the temporary accommodation offered to a number of ethnic groupings in a ballroom.

    Whilst it's always possible some Ukrainians ended up in this hotel briefly since arrangements put in place with city west, it is not now a designated location for housing Ukrainian refugees and certainly no large numbers would be ending up in the Red Cow.

    To link the Video in this Thread without any evidence that the brawl involved Ukrainian Refugees was not appropriate.

    I may have my stong views on policy, no cap, some crazy government decisions etc but people need to be very careful when it comes to assuming videos like this have anything to do with The Ukrainian refugee crisis.

    As for the appeal you mentioned, months old and issued at the start of this crisis.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,994 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    That may happen in the 20/30 years but for now those people arriving will need substantial support from the State for many years to come.

    I read there are approximately 10,000 children relocated here since the start of the this. That's a lot of school places in already cramped classrooms before we even get to the significant support each one will need to learn the language and catch up on the classwork. There's just no joined up thinking in anything being proposed by those in Leinster House.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,975 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So people working here are leeching the tax payer? 😕



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,295 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Do you actually understand that even if someone is working it can still mean they are “entitled” to claim substantial state supports and are rarely net contributors due to the extremely low levels of tax paid. Social housing, children allowance, supplementary welfare, healthcare, education etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 brenersar


    Reading through ukrainian whatsapp and telegram groups I see that "how to stay here after war ends" is the widely discussed topic. They are very much like how they being treated in Ireland. On my question "who is going to rebuild beloved motherland if they stay in our country for years to come?" the answer was: we have nowhere to go. Our houses are destroyed. We stay here.

    The more I watch all this madness of recklessness , lack of basic planning of this campaign managed by populistic government the more I am convinced that irish people are seen as second class citizens in this country.

    Post edited by brenersar on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,204 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I'm afraid in this case the video actually has nothing to do with the Ukrainian Refugee situation, I've been abundantly clear on how I feel about what's going on generally, but as I've explained in my detailed response on the posting of this video, there's not a shred of evidence to point to this brawl having anything to do with Ukrainians who are not accommodated in the Red Cow now, nor have been for months, officially, yes a small number in an absolute emergency but very temporary. The Red Cow was used to house other refugees, details in my previous post.

    My views remain as steadfast as they've been and there's quite enough going on to concern us without the need to make assumptions.

    I get there are those who have a one dimensional view on what's going on and continously deny reality and I'll engage with and call them out but we really don't need misleading video's to prove our points, Just saying 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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