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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 703 ✭✭✭US3


    So Like is saying getting the virus is the best protection from the virus 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,647 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Watch out people. Dr Henry is “very concerned “ of the 600 odd in hospital today despite us surviving 1600 months back. They must like to be heard.

    Going by other countries that had a BA.4/5 wave I doubt hospitals will reach 1600 this time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Is he actually concerned or was that an answer to a question asking whether he was concerned?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,647 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    From RTE :

    “The Chief Clinical Officer of the HSE has said he is "very concerned" about the rise in the number of people in hospital, with or because of Covid-19.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I see, that's what you get when he shows up to Claire Byrne with Sunday's figures and few discharges!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,204 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Unfortunately infection with Omicron does not confer immunity from other variants, a lot of studies have shown. Unlike the previous strains.

    People are getting it again and again.

    Don't know what Luke O'Neill was talking about there but in fairness I don't listen to RTE radio as a rule.

    Maybe he qualified it somehow, or someone took him up wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,290 ✭✭✭jackboy


    It could confer immunity from future variants which will likely evolve from Omicron. Not that he said that, but it could be useful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,647 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    i can’t understand why people continually don’t get it. It’s been spelt out long enough. Yes people can get reinfected but if you have had the virus or/and vaccination you still have significant protection against serious illness. I would say that is what Luke meant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,204 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Hmmm.. You'd want to believe him I get that, but as I said it is at odds with any of the research unless he meant something else?

    Simplified version of a very very large study here..

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/14/people-who-caught-covid-in-first-wave-get-no-immune-boost-from-omicron



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭mollser


    The media constantly highlights that you can get reinfected, and of course that's right. But in the real world, my own fairly wide anecdotal evidence is this wave is primarily catching all the hold outs from the previous waves( I am one, first time for me! ) but very few are reinfections. Did know quite a few who hadn't already had it, think they're all caught now.


    So yes reinfection is absolutely possible but it's really not the majority of cases.


    Like an oul 5 day hangover for me, enjoyed my few days of r&r but back to reality tomorrow!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,647 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Once again I’m talking about protection from serious illness not about getting infected repeatedly. I know that happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,204 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Ok. Then say that.

    And tbh would like to see the research that hes going on if that is in fact what he said.

    PHE in England are saying that the 2 new variants are hitting the lungs more than the upper respiratory tract resulting in sicker people, so protection of any sort would be good news.

    We are a few weeks behind their increase in hospitalisations and think they have had quite enough Omicron to be able to say whats what.

    Edited for spelling!

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,647 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Say what? Look at SA and Portugal. The latest variant wave didn’t last long. It’s declining and with low hospitalizations. It’s the most transmissible variant and it is said to be as severe as Delta if you haven’t been vaccinated or ever had the virus.

    I’m willing to bet we won’t reach 1600 in hospitals this time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,204 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Good if true

    And you don't have to tell me about serious disease and hospitalisations, Mickey!

    Portugal has come down in recentvdays a little it is true but they still have a lot in hospital and ICU presently. Their case numbers were 230, 400 in the last couple of weeks so if those numbers don't materialise into hospital /ICU numbers over the next fortnight, everyone will be happier

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Posts: 543 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The claims in that article don't make sense and don't square with what we're seeing in the real world. If Omicron doesn't boost immunity then how did the previous waves stop growing? The recent wave in South Africa was their shortest and least severe to date so something protected them.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,647 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Donnelly expressing “ concern “ again and more or less threatening our freedoms again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    This "wave" is thankfully going to be an even damper squib that the original Omicron wave.

    Growth in hospital numbers = 36% compared to 7 days ago. A week ago, we saw a 69% growth rate over the previous 7 days. So, the growth rate has already slowed a lot and you can see the same happening on the positive swabs.

    We can expect the media to reach peak panic in the middle of next week when we might get 800-900 in hospital. But then it will start falling off again and we can all forget about covid for another while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    He said majority of the 600 COVID patients are over 65 & most haven’t availed of second booster vaccine.

    And nearly 50% of those cases are incidental.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,603 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Slightly over the top there now Micky.

    There was no threat to freedoms. He said nothing that he didn't say last week.

    If a journalist asks a leading question saying if the advice coming from public health changes would you consider it, he's hardly going to say no, so the answer is yes he'll consider it. That's what was said last week, that's what was said today.

    However as both him and other's have said, the advice isn't changing and this is living with covid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,959 ✭✭✭celt262


    Some posters can't help themselves and would like to see this going on and on so they can come in here and think their smart.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,647 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Still , does he need to say things like this?

    “Ireland was in a "living with Covid phase", however, he added that the situation could change.”

    No offence but it really pisses me off when I hear statements like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,603 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    See my edited reply, if asked a leading question by a journalist, what do you expect him to say ?

    If a journalist asks a leading question saying if the advice coming from public health changes would you consider it, he's hardly going to say no, so the answer is yes he'll consider it. That's what was said last week, that's what was said today. Yet as we know the advice isn't changing so he's got nothing to consider.

    It's a pretty straight forward politicians answer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,204 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Its from a large study of 743 healrhcare workers followed from 2020 and detailed analysis of immune responses.

    It is baffling alright.

    I think the pool of people to be infected is not getting smaller but with no restrictions is ripping through much faster. Thus peaking quickly with high cases as in Portugal and quicker moving on than in other strains.

    The South Africa experience us different.

    Younger population with much greater unvaccinated.

    Could be that the impact of a higher viral load with their first Omicron wave has boosted them temporarily, than in those who have had triple vaccines but are infection naive?

    It appears that Omicron does not confer extra protection longterm. but only for a couple of months.

    And still the main protector for serious disease prevention is triple vaccination as shown by our hospital and ICU numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,647 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Are you referring to me? Can you not tell the difference between someone a little concerned about restrictions returning from someone who wants them to return?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭mollser


    the media will go peak frenzy after this wave has peaked, it has been the same in all previous waves and will (likely) be the same again. Had the misfortune to listen to claire byrne yesterday morning, the fetish for masking people is really unnerving!

    Notably it doesn't feature at all on rte's front page today, so perhaps its already been nipped in the bud anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,647 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    No , he came out with that statement while he was rambling on because the hospitals are under pressure. He wasn’t asked a specific question to that actual statement. He was basically saying behave little boys and girls or else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,603 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Right I think we'd be going around in circles here to be honest.

    The clip you see online is his response to a question from a journalist with the clip beginning after the question is asked.

    This is the same as a few months ago, a union or two try and shout the loudest, a few other heads pop up again and they fade off into the background again in a few weeks. Think your reading way too much into this to be honest.

    Post edited by stephenjmcd on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,959 ✭✭✭celt262


    Why would you be worried about restrictions returning anyway they were mainly lifted around the end of January when there were in the region of 10k + cases a day and high hospital and ICU numbers. It's not going to happen.



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The constant calls for mask mandates is baffling to me. We had over 20k cases a day with masks so we know they do very little at best.

    Some bizarre agendas out there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,557 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Masks do absolutely nothing for these variants, we've been here again and again.



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