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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So you start your post by stating your student daughter received a grant and ended it by stating there is nothing for your student daughter? 😕



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    At least she gets half a grant. Because we're a 2 income family, we are over the threshold, by not much. We will have to pay 2 x full college fees and all the rest this Sept as I've a leaving cert and one already in college. Both pt min wage working and both included in our income for susi assessment. No medical card, no state help ever. Up to now, I've been ok with having to pay for third level etc etc, but now it seems I'm paying for more people to be added to the social claims and I do feel it's all taxes and no return. Not looking for, and don't expect a miracle as regards to reductions in fees, but I do feel shortchanged with increasing living expenses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    On the very day Taoiseach announces no further Supports, Tax Reliefs etc to help with the cost of living crisis,

    This from Michael Mc Grath


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭keoclassic


    To be perfectly honest with you no. But a party will hold the majority come next election and we will have to accept that! But your right, I don't think any party right now will have the foresight to solve this!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭keoclassic


    They've some balls, I'll give them that.......... Fianna Fáil And fine Gael..... The No comment party!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    It's breathtaking, almost unbelievable. Without straying into Politics, FG have in essence been in hiding since last Thursdays Bizzare and unhinged tantrum in the Dail 🙄

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭enricoh


    I don't think I've met one person over say the last 2 months that see's Ukrainians coming to Ireland as a positive. First month or so of the war most would have been positive about helping.

    The honeymoon period is long gone and price of petrol, ESB etc is now forefront as the main issue. 3 billion for Ukrainians next year, how much for the direct provision amnesty, how much for the illegally here amnesty, how much for family repatriation etc etc.

    The politicians are so out of touch on this no amount of fluffy positive pieces on rte or the Sunday times is gonna spin it. They might scrape by with it for the summer but when the heating bills etc start arriving in October there is gonna be a lot of resentment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭keoclassic


    3 billion would build a nice few houses........ For Irish people! At a unit cost of 250000, that's about 12000 units! Wow! I'm sure that's doable on state owned land!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I thought initially, they'd lost the plot, then I thought they are deliberately winding people up, finally believed they actually are seeking division and social cohesion break down but actually it's a combination of all of these things and.........

    head-in-the-sand.gif


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭keoclassic


    Plus, the state would own them and could rent them as social or affordable housing. Even if the unit cost went to 350, that would still be a nice number! About 8500 ish. When I say it out loud, I ask myself, what's the problem, why aren't they doing this since 2016 when big Enda said... "it can't be done overnight". When the **** hits in fan in the coming months or years we will be back to "we don't have the funding for such projects!". To hell with them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Just a cursory look through mainly irish news sites, some British also throughout the day and barely a mention of the Ukrainian War apart from how much its costing.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭keoclassic




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭enricoh


    They've been fighting there for 10 years n sod all people here knew about it and even less cared. 3 billion cost for next year alone- and they go on that the children's hospital is unaffordable!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Bit of an update on the College places, further studies.

    Doesn’t Simon Harris look positively pleased with himself


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump



    "Further and Higher Education Minister Simon Harris said that Ukrainian students taking up places in Ireland would be treated as if they were on the Erasmus+ study abroad programme, the supports for which are slightly better than if they were awarded a grant from the Government’s student support agency, Susi"

    Mighty stuff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 AnaB


    Erasmus support but sure also 208 p/w, accommodation and medical card👍



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  • Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    all quite depressing with the inequality of it all. Reading the Helping Hand for Ukrainians and Help Ukrainians in Ireland pages on Facebook... there are enquiries about people looking to move from Monkstown to Malahide, where to get hair extensions in Donegal, how to travel back to Ukraine for 2 weeks holidays and then get back to Ireland, how to transfer from another EU country having spent 90 days there (but Ireland is suddenly better). One of the posts is from someone looking to move his Ukrainian family from Poland to Ireland even they were all living in Poland when war broke out! https://www.facebook.com/groups/379406900679082 https://www.facebook.com/groups/741572407248535 .

    I'm suddenly quite tired of seeing Ukrainian flags outside houses and listening to communities encouraging people to hold integration parties and get togethers. Ireland has been quite multi-cultural for many years now but somehow this situation with Ukrainian refugees and how they are being treated has been an eye opener. To say a lot of Irish people are suffering from fatigue from the Ukrainian situation is an understatement. And the reason for this is that the Irish tax payers are footing the bill and are suddenly realizing this is going to go on for years. Ireland is changing drastically and the repercussions will be huge.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl



    No one in Ireland pays "full college fees" for their first degree. You can argue you are not being subsidised enough but you are getting a massive subsidy already for your kids to go to university.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    I said it before and I’ll say it again the island of Ireland is gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    That's all well and good but your neoliberal world order is falling apart.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Absolute Zero


    100% man. I' been thinking recently were does all this naiveness comes from even in the era of the internet. I have seen some utter clown world **** these last few weeks here not limited to Irish collecting money and flying UA flags while next to them sit a group of adult male gopniks smoking cigarettes, absolute bunch of fannies and cowards in their adidas and rollie cigarettes while the do gooders fly their flag and chug for these lot.

    How could these boys keep a straight face when they got off the plane at all? Trust me when I say that the majority of people here are feeling the same way about all of this, they're pissed off and it's called the silent majority for a reason. When the McGrath fella today comes out and says they are putting away 3bn of our money away for next year's budget for Ukranians and not a bother to him in saying it, we are becoming run like a dictatorship now where they are playing a game with our country and treating the Irish people now as the NPCs in this fucked up game. Who's this wanker to make these decisions for us? He is the same one going on about not being able to spend for people here because of the so called backdrop of the world economy but he can pull out 3bn when Europes hand comes calling. At this stage we are now fully working for Europe ahead of our own people and it's pissing the people off in this country big time.

    Luckily I'm relatively young early 30 and have my house already bought but I'd seriously be looking at getting the hell back out of this country again, we have options to move to the states or back to the Netherlands. I'd rather pay my taxes and be a foreigner to them than to be Irish and be shited on in this place. This country is rubbish if you're young and the only saving grace for me was I had the privilege of growing up in the 90s back when we knew our neighbours and we helped each other out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,309 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    ...and all the immigration will go towards doubling the population to 10 million just as Simon Coveney talked about 😵😵,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    You're right. About the fees.

    But it has little to do with the fees, and more about the middle man, the taxpayer, being caught to pay over and over, while ukrainans rock on in and are automatically finding college places, with a support grant, without any payment into the system that gives it. No waiting period, no certain amount of tax to be paid, nothing. It's a pure and utter p**s take.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    A Simon Coveney and his hair brained notions. We are not even coping with the current population, I'd shudder to think we're we be at 10 million.

    I was chatting to someone last night and they raised an interesting point. It's believed 10"s of thousands left Ireland during the Pandemic, we know certain sectors struggling to re hire staff they let go, or staff just left the country sick of being left dangling with all the uncertainty, some left for family reasons also if course. Taking all this into consideration and presuming they left behind vacant rental properties, firstly what happened to all these properties and secondly if all these folks hadn't left were in heavens name would the country be in terms of accommodation availability right now.

    I don't recall a sudden surge in rental property availability during the pandemic and certainly not since.

    That all aide all this poppy cock nonsense talk of vacant local authority properties being made ready, plans to accommodate 9,000 refugees in total by August and all we hear about is the lack of money available, the whole situation is just Bonkers.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    794 properties to rent on daft in the entire country. Less week on week. 5 million people and that’s what we have. Of those I saw numerous over 15k per month so just not affordable for most.

    3 Billion put aside my word. There’s roughly 36k Ukrainians last I checked. That’s over €83,000 put aside per 1 Ukrainian on current numbers. You could almost build a house for the cost of 1 Ukrainian….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Well, given that the Ukrainians have lost their homes and their jobs, then surely they qualify for the SUSI grant?



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