F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

eviltimeban · 17-06-2022 01:15PM

Is this with immediate effect? It was hard to tell, but I saw somewhere that it is. So Mercedes (and possibly Ferrari) likely to be much slower this weekend.

El_Duderino 09 · 17-06-2022 01:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119215325#Comment_119215325

Hard to tell if it applies to this weekend or not. If its a driver safety issue, you'd imagine they can't really delay. But given the FIA statement said the maths for calculating acceptable levels of porpoising was still being worked out, it's hard to see how they could make informed decisions ahead of this weekend.

Could be a bit if a beding in period where they need to adjust the parameters over the next few races. And there will be a lot of complaining from the teams who are most affected. Worth keeping in mind that this is probably the best course of action and it will take time to get it right.

duploelabs · 17-06-2022 04:24PM

Point of history. The previous incarnation of the ground effect cars were banned because of driver safety, so there's precident for the fia to intervene

duploelabs · 17-06-2022 04:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119214873#Comment_119214873

Drivers have a very low input on how the car is set up, that would be in control of the engineers and mechanics

quokula · 17-06-2022 05:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119215489#Comment_119215489

My understanding is that they're reviewing it during the practice sessions today with a view to putting something in place on Saturday. It's certainly going to evolve over the coming races. I suspect that after Canada when they're back on smooth permanent circuits instead of bumpy street tracks it will be a lot less of an issue anyway, it looked well under control back in Barcelona.

quokula · 17-06-2022 05:30PM

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We're in a very different era now - the regulations are heavily prescribed and were deliberately designed to be built around ground effects in order to reduce the issues of dirty air that the previous generation of cars suffered heavily from. This was developed by F1's technical working group with a lot of resources over a number of years. It's also only proving a problem for certain teams who have got their car designs wrong and refuse to sacrifice performance to solve it.

It's a far cry from the old days when F1 was the wild west and teams would come up with innovations from ground effects to fan cars to magnesium wheels to six wheelers and the rule makers would reactively ban things that were previously unknown.

17-06-2022 05:31PM

The Race said they have numbers from previous weeks and are working on tuning formulas and thresholds. Supposedly to be set Saturday morning.

AMKC · 17-06-2022 05:31PM

The Race have said its effective immediately from the Canadian GP.

That's the statement from the FIA.

duploelabs · 17-06-2022 05:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119216742#Comment_119216742

Well I get your point, but the teams are still at it today like the DAWS system from merc and the fuel injection trick that ferrari used, albeit a bit more nuanced and slight

Burkie1203 · 17-06-2022 06:43PM

George Russell whining about some teams putting performance over driver safety

Rossi IRL · 17-06-2022 06:48PM

Few comments about last week from drivers.

Gasly said he was on pain killers all weekend due to the bouncing.

Russell had blurry vision and couldn't read his pit board during the race.

FIA have done the right thing in addressing it. They are gathering data this weekend.

The teams that have problems need to find a way to fix their problems. No point punishing teams that have got it right either. Red Bull have this championship in the bag anyway. The problem teams may as well write the season off and focus on fixing their problem.

dulpit · 17-06-2022 07:37PM

Anybody hear the bit at the start of FP1 tv coverage about some racist comments towards Naomi Schiff? They were speaking to Hamilton & Vettel about it.

I didn't see the full context, and didn't see any comments all week either, but it's disgraceful if there is racist trolls like that. Schiff has been a fantastic addition to Sky's coverage (even if Any Driven Monday is utter crap), hope it doesn't continue.

17-06-2022 07:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217185#Comment_119217185

Haven't seen it but hardly unexpected. She's professional, personable, attractive and seems to have half a clue what she's doing and talking about. Some people find that very threatening, her being black is the cherry on the cake for these sad ****.

flazio · 17-06-2022 07:47PM

It was just one of those twitter trolls. Put in their profile stuff like MAGA, Boris and Trump we trust, Millwall 4 life etc.

I think Channel 4 picked up on something more concerning and hadn't been widely reported was FIA presidents comments which seems to suggest he isn't a fan of any of the "We Race As One" messaging and is a bit of a "Just Shut Up and Drive" kind of man, calling out Vettels activism in particular. Lee McKenzie talked to Vettel and W Series driver Jessica Hawkins about the issues. It's on All 4 post qualifying highlights until tomorrow afternoon.

El_Duderino 09 · 17-06-2022 08:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217185#Comment_119217185

Ah, that's not surprising. Do you remember the first week she was on Sky? The number of posts on here about her with the words, "Token", "WOKE" and "PC Brigade", tells you all you need to know about it.

JRant · 17-06-2022 08:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217011#Comment_119217011

Unless the FIA allow additional budget space for teams there's probably not a lot the teams can do at this point. Telling teams to run their cars higher is the equivalent to telling them not to bother turning up in my book. The entire point of the rule change was to bring the cars closer. Asking them now to purposely make their cars much slower just defeats the entire point.

Honestly, at this point in the season it's going to be a complete write off and waste of time for spectators. It's one thing having a team have a much better power unit dominate but it's completely different when you have the governing body deliberately slowing down a large chunk of cars on the grid. It also makes it nigh on impossible for those teams to get to the root cause without track data as testing is so limited.

mickdw · 17-06-2022 09:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217453#Comment_119217453

They are only telling teams to run their cars safely.

It has backfired on Mercedes. They claimed the car is damaging to driver health. Now they will have to run in a manner that is not damaging. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

JRant · 17-06-2022 10:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217687#Comment_119217687

It's nobbling a chunk of the grid. This may surprise you but I'm glad the FIA took action. Having so many drivers complain about being in pain meant they had to take action. However, this particular change has pretty much ruined the entire season for me. Honestly, if they can't run the car lower to diagnose the actual issue and need to run at a much higher ride height then they can't actually fix it. There's nothing from the FIA about allowing additional resources or track testing being allowed for teams struggling with this.

El_Duderino 09 · 17-06-2022 10:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217453#Comment_119217453

Depends on how you look at it. I'm not sure which of the midfield and backmarkers are suffering less with porpoising. Could be a genuine opportunity for them, the likes of bottas or magnussen or Vettel, to be in the top 6 and sneak a podium if enough of the top 2 teams retire.

They might have to raise the cost cap a bit this year with the inflation situation. Their budgets have effective shrunk by 8‐10% (I'm sure the cost cap grows a bit for inflation but not the current rate). And now they're having to do a major redesign. So I'd say there will be pressure to create some kind of additional budget for minimising porpoising given its a safety concern.

JRant · 17-06-2022 11:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217865#Comment_119217865

That's a very fair point about the possibility of some other midfield teams getting a bump up the grid.

For everyone suffering with porpoising over the new FIA limits they are done this year. The best they can do is treat FP like a test day at the track before they are made to increase the ride height and effectively run in limp mode during races.

There's going to be a lot of horse trading going on in the background with this decision. Be interesting to see what comes out over the next couple of weeks.

El_Duderino 09 · 17-06-2022 11:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217985#Comment_119217985

Yeah completely agree with the last paragraph. There will probably be some decisions comingnso the horse trading will be massive. That's not necessarily bad thing. They're going to need to set limits on porpoising this weekend and in the coming weekends and teams will contribute to that. And then there will be decisions about next year's design and teams will be involved in that too.

Hijpo · 17-06-2022 11:14PM

Merc are just the best of the rest without DNFs this season.

I don't think it's going to send them tumbling down battling for 9th, it's still faster than the others.

flazio · 18-06-2022 12:12AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217687#Comment_119217687

Yeah, an evil bunch who don't care when one of their loyal employees dies.

Oh no wait.....

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ce689xyow9w/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

This is it · 18-06-2022 12:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119218205#Comment_119218205

Putting a name on your car won't hinder a cars performance, raising the ride height to cause less porpoising/pain to their drivers will, and that's why Mercedes didn't raise the car.

JRant · 18-06-2022 12:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119218024#Comment_119218024

You'd imagine some teams will be pushing for active suspension systems but that is probably too late for any cars being developed for next year. Realistically, there's not much they can do outside of a complete redesign of the car floor and push for a lot more track test days than they currently have. Hindsight is wonderful but looking back they should have been allowed a lot more testing with such a significant change to the car design.

18-06-2022 01:10AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217824#Comment_119217824

They have a flawed design of their own making. Honda had a flawed design for years and could do fuckin nothing about it. Renault were dogshit for years, there were times Red Bull likely had the best chassis yet needed luck to get on the podium aside from a couple of slower tracks. It took Ferrari years and very much testing the limits of the rules to get anything close to parity on engine performance. Well, they probably could have matched Mercedes for performance but it would have blown up so guess what? They ran it to last. Just like every team has to. The FIA is stepping in because certain teams are clearly and publicly failing to look after their drivers, and encouraging their drivers to confirm the same in public which is just hilarious. So (for now) the bitching and moaning from Mercedes seems to have backfired on them.

JRant · 18-06-2022 07:48AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119218344#Comment_119218344

You're arguing a point I'm not making though. I fully agree with the FIA stepping in, I just don't completely agree with the solution being proposed in it's current form. That's why I think there will be concession made over the next few weeks with respect to additional budget and hopefully more testing being allowed. Telling teams to run higher alone does nothing to solve the issue and makes solving the problem harder for those teams.

A number of drivers have complained about this issue but somehow it's all about Merc.

Rossi IRL · 18-06-2022 07:57AM

I don't know which pundit said it on Sky during practice yesterday but they said that raising the car may not even fix the bouncing.

Will be interesting to see the outcome anyway.

Season is a write off as Ferrari's are about to start getting grid penalties for engines and parts. Think Leclerc is gone or going to go past the allocated amount of turbos already.

JRant · 18-06-2022 08:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119218558#Comment_119218558

It's definitely not going to fix it. I read somewhere yesterday that it should bring the porpoising down below a certain G level. They mentioned a limit of around 1 G may be the limit but it could be lower. There are also a lot of teams going to be affected by this change.

blade1 · 18-06-2022 08:22AM

Just goes to show be careful what you wish for.

After being pipped at the post last year for the championship, Lewis Hamilton vowed to bounce back this year.

Reminds me of this 😁

F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

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