Why are there so many stupid people?

I started a thread titled “did the USA play a significantly negative role in events leading to the Ukraine crisis?” In the conspiracy forum. And a load of posters attacked me, presumed my motives and spoke more about what bracket they wanted to put me in then the information or links provided. I asked the question that more clued in scholars discussed and many of you lacked the capacity for discussion and made it hostile , ultimately closing down the thread.

But thanks for lieing about me “blaming the west” and proving my point.

I’ve actually no problem with the folk pretending to be stupid, it’s the ones that think the are clever is a huge issue for us. Personally I’m one of those that can’t be bothered they say the

That’s it I’ve actually no problem with the clever folk opting to having fun it’s the shunned folk running riot with their dainty little fingertips, driving us into the ground. Basement should never have been recognised as a platform, but then how low can you go

It wasnt a toxic thread , it was made toxic by people who didn’t want to discuss the topic, they wanted to discuss what they imagined my motives were for making the thread.

I made a mistake with that post. I wasn’t looking for drama, just discussion. Again you presume something I wasn’t doing so there’s no point in going round in circles.

Nature abhors a vacuum. The world without religion will end up a world with some other corrupted institution that people follow. Religion is but a conduit for man’s instinct for control and manipulation. As is politics, financial systems, ideologies and pretty much anything invented by man.

I am curious to see what laws of unintended consequences bring up after the age of religion. I find the presumption of no religion equating to better rather perplexing, especially as very intelligent people can take this prophetic position.

Presumption is the Mother of all f*ck ups.

I think any sort of support of something is open to assimilation, corruption and coercion.

Why are the Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine ? Is it because they love Vlad or is there some sort of misguided idealistic attachment to mother russia? Putin doesn’t ask then to fight for him, it’s for russia, if he didn’t need to make up a story about it being best for Russia he wouldn’t bother wrapping his lie in a story about protecting Russia.

I don’t see religion as any different to other things used to wage wars or atrocities, it’s just a different medium used. One difference is that there is actually some good rules that in principle we are supposed to follow (and many do follow). For all the bad said about religion there are good things that the average person practises. I think the religion of capitalism (at the church of money) has few redeemable qualities that lend itself to a potentially kinder world, but I digress.

Personally I would rather see religion improved and re-packaged (if possible of course). It’s far harder to do that , much easier to burn it all down and that’s what we do, while learning little in the process.

I think we probably already have it’s replacement insidiously building it’s way into our lives while all the focus is on the supposed all evil religion. In 100 years people will ask how we were so stupid to think just getting rid of religion wouldn’t lead to something else and how we were so blind to its replacement.

People don’t change. Paedophiles , tyrants and corrupted immoral people don’t just disappear with no religion, they just move somewhere else to control people.

Democracy is at its purest for people with the most money. If I’m a billionaire, will my vote and support get more doors opened for me ? Can I buy my freedom if I brake the law? If I have for example a paedophie ring an I more likely to get away with it? Will I have more clout to bend the will of Irish people and legislation to my will? Of course I will, but while we have China and even Russia as “well it could be worse” examples, the democracy we enjoy can be a play thing for the real people in power while we imagine we are in control while voting for either tweedle dum or tweedle dee.

Sure look at the Irish banks “donning the green jersey” engaging in share price manipulation of banks and the bank bailout. If anybody did what the banks did, including laundering money for drug cartels in USA , they’d be locked up. If I owe the bank 20,000 they will hound me to the ends or the earth , if I owe them 20 billion , it would be written off quicker. Capitalism for the poor , socialism for the rich.

Our Democracy is not pure, it’s very much corrupted badly but we are used to it so go along with it. It’s better that worse systems and many countries , but it’s no different to comparing a mass murderer to somebody who only kills when it suits them.

In terms of freedom of thought , is there such a thing? Can a person actually think independently if they are absolute on subjects they can’t verify and are relying on external sources for information? Somebody telling you their “facts” is by default going to paint a picture that’s slightly bias and it’s influencing you by default. The only way to truly try to attain a more objective view is to consider all angles and all views, but society today instead takes absolute sides so it learns little.

Then there’s this idea that “I think this based on that, so it’s my thought”. Is it though?. I’m proud to be Irish cause of that thing. Why? Why does it matter you are from this island? Why has that value ? It doesn’t have value because you were born and instinctively decided that being Irish has value. So that’s not your freedom of thought, that’s a value groomed into you and adopted.

Its why I live philosophy in my older years. You can deconstruct everything you thought was true and find out interesting things about yourself. I enjoy trying to work out why things are such or why I might think a certain way. More out of interest to figure out what actually drives us personally and collectively.

We are manipulated everyday of our lives. We support things and take views on things we probably don’t even understand why. I regularly write long posts even though I know people aren’t arsed reading my ramblings but I can feel compelled to try to articulate what I’m thinking. It’s just who I am but it’s quite often misinterpreted in these forums as something else.

TLDR: I think the crusade to abolish religion is misguided, I’d prefer to fix it and don’t see peoples nationalistic tendencies as overly different. Blind support of something that only exists in our head , driven by sentiment , was bred into us (ireland exists only in our head, like borders) and something people will kill and do awful things to protect this idea.