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Summer transfer thread 2022

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,871 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Unless there is no resolution in his case yet and Spurs are using that as a bargaining chip in order to lower the fee?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,952 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Maybe that's it. Would be risky though if he's found guilty.

    Spurs having a decent window so far. Forster and Perisic already in and the Richarlson and Bissouma a possibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 810 ✭✭✭augustus gloop


    If Spurs are using a possible sex offense conviction as a bargaining chip thats lower than a snakes belly. 25M is cheap for a lad of his talent though



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,871 ✭✭✭dr.kenneth noisewater


    Man Utd have made an offer to Eriksen according to the Athletic



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,223 ✭✭✭marklazarcovic


    So, it's not 100 million, like city paid for grealish,and offered for Kane,it's 64-85 million max...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,054 ✭✭✭✭L'prof




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,952 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    At the moment Nunez is costing less than Arsenal paid for Pepe.

    Let's see how he gets on though, he could do well and people will say it was money well spent ala VVD or he may do poorly and people will compare him to Pogba.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,871 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Initial £64m. A lot of money for a player with only one top division season under his belt, albeit not a top 5 league. But Benfica do have history with selling players for large fees. The £64m is not £100m though, and there's be a lot of 100m talk bandied about.

    £64m (€75m) seems pretty in line for strikers moving in the last 12-18 months with comparable experience levels, with Vlahovic moving for £73m in January and Osinhem moving for £67.5m the summer previous. Lukaku moved for £100m last July and has not exactly torn up trees. Kane was linked with a £100m+ transfer. Large fees does not equate to success and there will be some pressure on him, but I think Klopp will manage this.

    If that fee does eventually rise to the full £85m, which is a very large fee, it's dependant on player & team success including Liverpool winning the Champions League. If Nunez scores the goals to win the CL, and trigger those bonuses, I'm not sure many within Liverpool will be upset. Nunez has to be a success in order to reach the top payable fee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Spurs are doing some cracking business. A quality CB and one or two more additions and they could be set for special things next season.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭Fattybojangles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    £16 million for Bazunu from Man City to Southampton. Gotta say, we do some great business even with our outgoing players, that kind of fee for a lad whose never even played a senior game for us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,487 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    The 100 million was a euro amount was it not? Which seems to be pretty accurate from the sterling amounts given and the reported targets to hit the clauses.

    Benfica will release the financials anyway so won't have to wait too long to confirm either way.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,227 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Benfica made a statement to the Portuguese stock exchange on Monday. €75m rising to €100m.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,871 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    And just like Man City, you have a knack for fudging numbers.

    Transfer fee of £12m, potentially rising to £15m if certain add-ons are met.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 810 ✭✭✭augustus gloop


    yep fair play. It’s city’s financial acumen which has them where they are today…

    the sports washing has well and truly worked at City. The golfers are taking a lot of heat at the minute but they will find hope in the knowledge that if you ignore the human rights issues long enough like city it will be forgotten.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    Never compliment Man City on a good deal or you're a sportswashed fanatic.

    If what you're saying was true btw Harry Kane would've been our striker last season, we'd have Jorginho in midfield, Alexei Sanchez and Kaka probably would've played for us too at some stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,109 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    I’m not sure 12 million is that exceptional a deal, given that he’s a hugely rated 20 year old with 73 senior club matches under his belt already, and is the number 1 for his country.

    It’s grand, but I’d say the club would’ve been happier to hang onto him for another 2 years and maybe sell him for twice that then.

    They’ll get the full 15 before too long at least alright though. Wonder if there’s a sell on clause too - could well see him moving on up again in a few years, especially if Southampton go down at some stage.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    I mean I don't know how often clubs sell on a player they've paid next to nothing for who hasn't made an appearance for the senior team and get 8 figures for him.

    Saw a fun tweet too, sold Bazunu and Ferran Torres. Signed Alvarez and Haaland. Net spend 6 million. Maybe we aren't so bad at this net spend stuff after all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Jarhead_Tendler


    oo



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,109 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    The "hasn't made a senior appearance" comment is a bit of a misnomer though, especially for a keeper. Really, it's because he's so good that he hasn't played for you. If he hadn't been on loan for the entirety of the past 2 years, he likely would have a few appearances, like how Scott Carson played last year.. But he was already good enough to go straight out and play every week at a decent level despite his youth. With 73 senior games, and 10 full senior international matches, he's about as tried and tested as any 20 year old keeper ever can be really. As I said though, I'm sure City would've rather'd keep him another couple of years as his trajectory is only going one direction, and with the scarcity of quality keepers around the place it's likely he'll be worth more before too long. I'm not at all saying it's a bad fee, it's just that you see him, and kinda think the sky's the limit for this kid, so to me it looks a better fee for the buyer than the seller.

    I don't think anyone is in any doubt that those are two absolutely fantastic transfers - in terms of overall value Alvarez is an especially brilliant one I'm very jealous of (as was Ferran Torres himself when he joined). Obviously while Haaland's fee is super low with his buyout, his wages and extra costs make him unattainable for all but a small handful of clubs.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,952 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Liverpool sold Ward 3-4 years ago for £12.8m and he's not half as good as Bazunu.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    Good job Liverpool I guess? For every great sale Man City make, there's always a better Liverpool one lurking around the corner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭Fattybojangles


    At the risk of being labelled an extreme hypocrite when Newcastle start looking to circumvent FFP(which as we know is designed to keep the elite in place and not allow any real challenge) nobody is disputing that Man City are making a much better effort at balancing books with sales nowadays but the point being made is that was not always the case and that Man City's current squad was built largely with owner invested money. Now I don't necessarily think that is a bad thing and nor do I think the FFP proponents on this thread are so because of moral motives they are supporters of the elite clubs Man Utd Liverpool mostly and they know FFP was designed to protect them and their place in the elite from real challenge and it is the elitist cartel like structure of the PL which means if clubs from lower down the table want to seriously compete they need massive owner investment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,871 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Or they could rise through the ranks organically with smart recruitment and selling on players for large fees, reinvesting that back into the playing squad again. Brighton & Brentford for example. Their success has been gained.

    Buying your way up the table and leagues is a different story. The whole of Germany hates RB Leipzig for this reason, and have a disdain for Hoffenheim too. Their success has been bought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭Fattybojangles


    Brighton and Brentford will never challenge the top 4 or even top 6 ffs you know this and I know this and these clubs are held up as examples because they are absolutely no threat to the established order. Leipzig and Hoffenheim are hated because they are a threat same as Man City and Newcastle. It's not like back in the day when teams like Forest Villa even Watford could put a good team together and challenge given the elitist nature of PL it is impossible without significant owner investment. The moral objection to the source of the money is window dressing the real issue is that psrtly state owned clubs are a threat to the established order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    Oh yes. "Rise through the ranks organically" because there's been so much of that post Champions League era. So what clubs have risen through the ranks organically to compete with your Real Madrid's, Barcelona's, Bayern Munich's, Man Utd's of the world? Where are these organic risers that are able to compete with the established elite, whose position at the top of the game was artificially cemented by the creation of the Champions League in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    Some more state-owned fun. This would be an absolutely excellent signing, fingers crossed our oil money makes it happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,871 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Brentford & Brighton could start to challenge for the European spots if they can continue on a similar trajectory.

    Leicester have done it via mostly smart recruitment. Burnley challenged for top 6 a few years ago and finished 7th. West Ham have broken in to the top 6 in recent years.

    Buying success is not the same thing where a sportswashing owner comes in and spunks £100m's every year on new shiny toys just to race to the top. There's nothing smart or clever about that. 'Let's just buy the fastest car with the best driver and we will win the race. No innovative engineering or existing driver development needed'.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,871 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    There are a lot of examples of clubs that have reached the CL semi final or final stage in the last decade that have grown organically. Look at Spurs under Poch, Ajax under Ten Haag, both Dortmund & Liverpool under Klopp, Atletico under Simeone. Juventus built a squad to try and win the CL based on selling Pogba, after being relegated a few years previous.

    They didn't just buy all the big shiny toys instantly. They grew over time. All of those clubs sold their star players in order to build better teams and squads and rose up the ranks that way.

    Who have Man City or Newcastle or PSG been forced to sell in order to progress?



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