Summer transfer thread 2022

pjohnson · 16-06-2022 09:28AM

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At last a bit of honesty and reality.

LineOfBeauty · 16-06-2022 09:30AM

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So because certain clubs were in the right spot at the right time, the best any other club can hope for is a once off CL semi final or final appearance? Referencing Dortmund here is particularly crazy given how the Champions League money all but cemented Bayern Munich as an uncatchable force in the Bundesliga, you know they've just won their 10th title in a row right? In the early 90's a club like Ajax could compete, post Champions League revenue being streamed into Europe's top 5 leagues and the Dutch league is now an afterthought of European football. Atletico's finances are far too murky a topic for a Thursday morning and when you're scraping as low as to say Juventus, the most popular club in Italy, is an example of a small upstart dragging their way to the top and staying there then you know we're in trouble here. Liverpool were England's most successful club in Europe pre Champions League, there's nothing underdoggish about their story mate.

Fattybojangles · 16-06-2022 09:42AM

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Ah you don't actually believe this rubbish do you? Without massive owner investment there is a ceiling(created by PL and CL) for all those clubs and you know it but the thing is you want there to be a ceiling there because it benefits your club.

Fitz* · 16-06-2022 10:17AM

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Each of the clubs were playing in the Europa League and grew to become Champions League clubs.

It is possible to move up the ladder organically. You don't need state backing to do so.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119210066#Comment_119210066

I don't need to believe it, some clubs have proven it's possible to move up along the ladder organically by buying and selling players smartly.

Brighton had a player in their academy who they developed and subsequently sold for £50m. They reinvested that money in their squad, buying a LWB & CM for £35m. Those 2 players became important/key players for Brighton. One of them is going to get sold again this summer, I'm guessing for a fee north of £35m again. Brighton will find another LWB and upgrade another position in their squad again. All using the money that they gained from selling their academy player in the beginning. Sold 2 key players, but have grown the squad, gained quality over time and progressed.

Brentford were a championship team, growing. They brought in Watkins & Maupay for a combined £8m and they scored goals goals for the club. The following season, they sold one of their CBs, Chris Mepham up to a PL club for £12m and bought Konsa for £2.5m & Benrahama for £1.5m. Konsa was sold again following season for £11.5m, along with Maupay for £19m. These big profits allowed the club to buy Raya, Norgaard, Pinnock, Jansson & Mbueno for a combined £19.5m. Those 5 players have gone on to become staples in their PL squad. What happened the following summer? Watkins & Benrahama were sold for big money, £52m combined, and to replace them, Brentford bought in Toney for £4m. Constant growth within the club as they moved up the ranks.

2 clubs that have proven they can grow organically. They both have new stadiums, so there is brilliant scope for further growth. They can work their way up along the ladder, try get into Europe and grow from there again, through smart recruitment.

There is a reason why Newcastle poached Brighton's head of recruitment.

Now compare that to a club that has an academy player, but they just leave him there, don't play him and buy a CB for £50m instead. And keep him and buy a LWB for £35m and then go and upgrade the CM aswell anyways, without needing to sell any existing players.

LineOfBeauty · 16-06-2022 10:52AM

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Mate the clubs you've referenced are some of the most historically massive clubs in world football. Because they were mismanaged for a time and had the odd Europa League campaign doesn't make them not massive clubs, and it certainly does not make them underdogs who rose up through the ranks. The even bigger irony here is that a couple of the clubs you've mentioned have been impacted in a very negative way by the introduction of Champions League and have seen their stature go backwards (Ajax being the prime example) because of how Champions League revenue is distributed, to the point where now Ajax can't even hope to compete with any of England's big 6 in terms of wages and fees. You've managed to 180 your own argument.

Fattybojangles · 16-06-2022 11:36AM

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That's all great and I know Brighton and Brentford are well run clubs but realistically without massive owner investment they will never get beyond the top 8 because the system is gamed against them.

Fitz* · 16-06-2022 11:44AM

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How is it?

What is stopping them from further continuing their smart investment and growing like they are currently?

What is stopping them from using the PL TV money to work their way up along the ladder and eventually getting in to Europe competition and then using that money to increase the quality in their squad, becoming a staple EL side and then kicking on another level again?

TitianGerm · 16-06-2022 11:50AM

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The Oil clubs are stopping them now.

LineOfBeauty · 16-06-2022 11:51AM

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If it's so easy, how come no club has been able to do it for 30 years without ownership investment? Even the ones who have had moments of glory (Ajax, Atalanta, Schalke, Leicester ect.) is brief because inevitably the big boys whose position at the top of European football has been entrenched come and take their best players, their coach, backroom staff ect. There's a ceiling for clubs like that. The only ones who breach the ceiling permanently (Chelsea, Man City, PSG) are those with money. And that's why fans of Liverpool, Man Utd, Real Madrid ect. hate those clubs, because they've upset the apple cart. Because while those clubs can sell the dream which you're selling (with enough hard work and smarts you can be big like us) it's not true, it hasn't been for 30 years, the only way to get to that level permanently is with the big investment and those fans know it and they hate it.

Fattybojangles · 16-06-2022 12:09PM

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Yeah Brighton would be winning the league if it wasn't for Man City like🙄

BillyHasMates · 16-06-2022 12:10PM

Any chance this thread can go back to discussing this summer's transfers?

Looks like Liverpool have completed a deal for Ramsey from Aberdeen. Third player in this summer. Some rumours that this will be the last of the incomings for Liverpool and they will now focus on outgoings.

Fattybojangles · 16-06-2022 12:18PM

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100% this is spot on and on your last part not only is it not true but those clubs at the top do everything they possibly can to make sure the likes of Brighton Brentford etc don't break through they actively lobbied against Newcastle's takeover for 18 months because they don't want competition which makes the holier than thou pronouncements of some of their fans particularly annoying.

Brendan Flowers · 16-06-2022 12:18PM

Speaking of Liverpool outgoings, what's the latest on Mane to Bayern? I know the 2 clubs were apart in their valuation of the player. But now that Liverpool have signed Nunez, would they be in a spot of bother if Bayern pulled out of the deal? Salah, Mane, Diaz, Nunez, Firmino and Jota seems excessive in terms of forward options.

TitianGerm · 16-06-2022 12:25PM

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Mane is meant to have agreed terms with Bayern now.

If Bayern pull out then Liverpool will have an excellent selection of forwards to choose from next year. Don't forget that the first half of the season is going to be mental this season with the WC squashed in so big squads will be needed.

Could even switch to 4-2-3-1 to get maximum rotation out of them and the midfielders.

Fattybojangles · 16-06-2022 12:28PM

SkySports reporting Newcastle are interested in Nick Pope would be a cracking signing if it goes through.

Fitz* · 16-06-2022 12:29PM

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I have a feeling that Bayern Munich are waiting for Barca to stump up the cash for Lewandowski first, which will then go to Liverpool for Mane.

Fattybojangles · 16-06-2022 12:41PM

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Barca haven't got the cash for lewandowski without selling someone first.

TitianGerm · 16-06-2022 12:50PM

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Barca always have the cash to sign players but they can't register players until they reduce the wage bill.

SlickRic · 16-06-2022 01:26PM

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I genuinely don't hate City or Chelsea as clubs. i want them to lose when they're my team's rival in a title race, or going for trophy, that's it. I cheered when City won the league over Utd in 2012. and i've felt nothing for any league they've won until they beat us (Liverpool) to titles. if Leicester, Spurs, Arsenal or Chelsea had won it, I'd have felt the same.

Utd are the only club that I know most Liverpool fans hate - as in, if they never win a game again, they'd be delighted. and they feel the same about us, i'm sure.

City are an inconvenience as a club, but for me, they could be any state-run club, or club with a lot of sportswashing money. i'd feel the same way. i don't like that they stop my club from winning trophies, but short of that, I feel very little. it's the ownership behind the club I don't like, not the club itself.

LineOfBeauty · 16-06-2022 01:41PM

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And you're totally entitled to feel that way, maybe some clubs like Man City, Chelsea or PSG are totally interchangeable in your view, and that's fine. But for the fans of those clubs I'm sure we feel as strongly about Man City as you do about Liverpool.

SlickRic · 16-06-2022 03:19PM

of course you feel as strongly about City as I do about Liverpool. that's not in doubt.

i'm just saying I don't hate City at all, never mind hate them for upsetting the apple cart. in this fan's eyes, there is no apple cart, that's my point. bar Utd, I merely root against the team who are my club's direct competition. that happens to be City at the moment, and the means by which they do it is what I'd dislike. nothing to do with the club itself, its fans or any apple cart it might be disturbing.