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Solar PV battery options

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,276 ✭✭✭irishchris


    IMG_20220606_221116.jpg

    These are the battery control parameters within the Solis



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,276 ✭✭✭irishchris




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,276 ✭✭✭irishchris


    Cheers Graeme I notice your equalising voltage is lower at 57.5 and will change mine to that.

    Sorry I'm little bit confused as to where you have max charge set to 57v? On the Solis settings or bms?



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    The max charge voltage of the bms is set to 57* .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,276 ✭✭✭irishchris


    Perfect graeme thanks, will log in to BMS now. Is your dad using a seplos also? Does he run into many high voltage alarms on his?

    Is it the monomer high voltage alarm I set to 57v on BMS or what setting is it in your dad's that is set to 57v on the seplos. Apologies for the million questions 😱



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Both of us are using the zeva, but settings should be settings and how the batteries behave.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭championc


    Like you see on Euronews ........ No Comment

    Pylontech Teardown

    [YouTube]t25kCIIpEQ8[/YouTube]



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,276 ✭✭✭irishchris



    jeez just goes to show you dont know what is underneath the shiny casings of these off the shelf batteries



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭reklamos


    Looks like the older model of Pylontech. I would say there is more than just one bad cell in there as all 3 packs are swollen. Having good voltage does not mean that the cell can hold charge. Something has trigered this process could be temperature, maybe they were sitting for too long with low/high charge. Could be also faulty BMS that pushed them too much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭championc


    One cell failing means the the charging voltage is therefore split across 14 rather than the original 15 cells. If cells were around 3.45v and one failed, it would add 0.25v to each other cell, and if the BMS failed to trigger shutdown based on one cell and only shutdown based on total pack voltage, it could keep charging !!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭fuse


    I'm getting quotes at the moment.

    Started with "I must get a battery" then saw that it's not necessarily the best option with an E/W orientation where I'm working from home. But I figure I should get a hybrid inverter to keep it ready for a future addition.

    For a 4.8kW system, in a house using around 15kWh per day is it worth an extra 1750e to add a 2.4kWh dyness battery. Should I be trying to match the system size with battery or is there any harm in using a 2.4kW batttery on a 4.8kW system?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭reklamos


    I understand that part. The BMS in these batteries is pretty good from what I've seen. Each cell is monitored and each cell has temperature probe also, so it should have noticed that one is a runner i think there is more to it.

    Get the biggest battery you can afford. 2.4kWh is nothing. With 4.8kW system running at full blast it will only take half an hour to charge it fully. My daily consumption is close to yours. I do work from home for over 10 years, have 4.5kW system and 10kWh battery was not enought for me hence I upgraded to 20kWh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭championc


    Me too. I've 3.9kWp and filling 10kW most days.

    The reality of WFH is possibly a laptop and external monitor each day, at maybe 100w per hour. You'll use more power boiling a kettle for 5 mins that the laptop for the guys of a day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭yankinlk


    I have east west, 6.6 and a 5 kw battery. I work from home and use about 20kw a day.

    Even wfh I recommend a battery. Without a battery u will never get any work done, cause every time sun shines u will run around trying to turn stuff on...and when a cloud passes over you will run around turning it all off. Good luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭yankinlk


    IMHO and it is just an opinion. The battery should be roughly half the consumption size. System size is not as important... cause you will likely increase it anyways if you build too small.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭scunermac


    I wanted to build a system that was ‘future proofed’ with the ability to add a battery down the line. However I just found out the company I got a very good quote from, only install single phase inverters. with the excess going to my hot water.

    I know you could install a battery later into this system which would have a built in inverter. But there is an added cost. One I checked was €7K for a 5KW battery which had a built in inverter.

    how much of a deal-breaker should I consider this? Anyone have a single phase inverter and wish they had gone with a hybrid inverter instead?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    You're mixing up your terminology here. Single phase vs 3 phase refers to the power supply at your house. 3 phase inverters are hugely expensive, and there are only a tiny amount of homes in Ireland who have a 3 phase supply.


    What you're referring to is a standard inverter vs a hybrid. A hybrid is a bit more expensive most installers use them as standard.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭championc


    But all is not lost. You can add a separate Storage Inverter onto which you can add batteries. Look at the Sofar ME3000, onto which you can also attach a DIY 10kW battery bank for about €1500 (see other thread)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Or he could just clarify what he's getting from the installer and go with a hybrid which is most likely what's already on offer.


    If he already had the system and didn't have a hybrid then it might make sense to go with a separate inverter. But if only at the quote stage, I wouldn't see much value in going for 2 inverters now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭scunermac


    Thanks both.

    You are right, I’m mixing up my terminology. What I meant was that my installer is going to provide a standard inverter, not a hybrid.

    Which I suspect is why the price is reasonable ~€5.5K (after grant) for 4.9KW system plus eddi.

    But it sounds like even if I go with a standard inverter that I could easily add a battery later anyway, albeit with an extra piece of kit like a Sofar ME3000. Is the €1500 you mention the total price for sofar + battery championc? Or just the battery?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭championc


    €1500 for the battery and BMS. The ME3000's are currently a bit scarce so you could be looking at €750 for it - but the ME3000 is super controllable from externally (Node-Red), so real load shifting and weather compensation opportunities.

    I think there's still one on Adverts currently



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,165 ✭✭✭John mac


    €900 is the cheapest ive been able to find , from The Netherlands , nothing on adverts.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Yeah, was on my way to update that post. Just finalised it today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 580 ✭✭✭Taxburden carrier


    General question: is there any issue with locating your battery with the inverter in the attic. Thinking of temperature swings but newbie so any advice welcome



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    I have insulation built around mine for winter. Kept it at a cosy 18 degrees even when the attic dropped to 3 or 4.


    Keeping it cool in summer may be more challenging, but I've found recently that just a standard table fan blowing at the inverter has been enough to drop the core temp by a good 10 degrees on a hot day.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,276 ✭✭✭irishchris


    Temperatures in summer can get high and my Solis in garden shed was reaching 60C+ on many days of high production. Got wall mounted fan blowing down on inverter heatsink. Set to come in with homeassistant at 30c and off at 25c. Temps now sit most days at 25ish



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