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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I know its a difficult concept for you to grasp, but read posts before responding, if you scroll back, slowly, I've said how I think it will end, doesn't mean I'm correct but have to assume given we've been here before with Putin, perhaps not on this scale, history suggests, I might be slightly on the nail 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,559 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl



    not currently occupied by Russian forces =/= not affected by the war.

    The UN is not going to get involved for the mind-numbingly obvious reason that Russia is on the Security Council.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    You are aware there is more to the UN than the security Council, seriously you need to look up what the UN actually is 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭mumo3


    On a slightly off topic but still relevant point....

    My daughter was at an charity event some local kids at set up for refugee kids staying in the red cow hotel, I asked her how it went....

    she said the hotel is completely crammed with refugees including function rooms set up with beds, she said there was a couple of buses picking the people up to drive them to different locations down the country, to accommodate new refugee arrivals, but that not one of them is Ukrainian!!

    They where all south African, including any new arrivals.... what is going on with that, does anybody know what that's about?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,849 ✭✭✭riddles


    We are one of the last really soft touches so the word on the street is get to a place where you get housed fed and watered for life no questions asked



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,335 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    South Africa.

    Just off the coast there, with Ireland the first safe port of entry.

    Seems self-explanatory



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Hi Cawlur, the refugees at the Red Cow ( Sleeping on ball room floor) are actually refugees from African countries, Syrian mainly , theres a separate programme dealing with this, to my knowledge the Red Cow is not a designated centre for Ukrainian refugees.

    The whole refugee thing is just falling apart and complete mess.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭mumo3


    I was just surprised, that there is not the slightest mention of it, I assumed along with the people organising the event it was Ukrainians in the hotel, and i foolishly believed the influx from Africa had stopped... no wonder we're about to be crippled financially again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    ..

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    Situation will probably get worse once the UK flights to Rwanda start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    It was said in a recent article that was posted on here that there had been a big jump in arrivals recently that weren't from Ukraine.

    People seeing what's on offer and maybe chancing their arm they might slip through due to the madness?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,335 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Saw some byline about it yesterday, where its referred to as 'refugee crisis'.

    Has been a distinction, and not a very subtle one, the last few months. Rule of thumb of late is any story where it mentions 'refugee' is your common or garden "refugee" from Africa, Middle-East etc.............our Ukrainian friends are very much in a separate tier both in rights and in how their coverage is portrayed in the media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭mumo3


    I've literally just heard it on the news at 1, I also noticed they didn't clarify the nationality of the refugees, was that on purpose I wonder?

    also good after new cawler fancy meeting you here😉



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,559 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl



    Being so snide and haughty while simultaneously wrong is not a great look.

    It is the role of the Security Council to authorise any peacekeeping forces. A "safe zone" without some kind of external guarantee or protection is worthless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I think to be fair (and not suggesting there's not something going on) but it was reported recently, Ireland had agreed to take in a few 100 refugees from some African countries, Syria, Afghanistan and Yemen, this arrangement was delayed due to pandemic and was a deal brokered a few years ago.

    Nonetheless its making an already intolerable situation worse.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Yes Ukrainian refugees are being treated differently to asylum seekers, it is absolutely no secret.

    I can't understand how anyone can be confused by it at this stage.

    There is a provision for other nationalities who had their asylum application processed elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭mumo3


    I was shocked when I heard about Boris's plan and actually laughed at the boldness of him, but he could be on to a good thing with it.... be worth keeping an eye on!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    😂😂, yes I just updated what this is all about, it was a deal brokered a few years ago and the pandemic delayed it, it was reported on but lost in all of the madness 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Am I wrong, Really 🤔 you seem to think the UN is entirely centred around a security Council, it is absolutely not. My snidness is perhaps as a result orlf yours, apologies it must be contagious, I'll get it seen too 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 6,581 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As someone who's dealt with DP people in a previous job I can safely say I never came across one Syrian.

    The ones who were accepted from resettlement programmes bypass DP.

    DP is for people turning up at the airport so I'd be apprehensive about how many are actually(Syrians) there since they all dump their documents off before entering the country.

    Anyway the Syrian war is as good as over now and has been for more than a while.

    Realistically the only way this mess ends is when we have a severe change in Government or the EU/UK get sick of us being a backdoor into them.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,559 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Realistically the only way this mess ends is when we have a severe change in Government or the EU/UK get sick of us being a backdoor into them.

    Ireland has one of the lowest rates of asylum applications in the EU



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I never mentioned DP in the context of my post, read back and come back to me, this is a program we're the Irish Government agreed to take in refugee's separate to Ukrainians, I said nothing about these people being put into DP and whilst I'm responding, not only have I met many Syrians here, I actually employed a few (Legally, I might add)

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,559 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Am I wrong, Really

    Yes.

    UN efforts with regards peacekeeping or activities in conflict zones are indeed entirely centred around the Security Council.



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don’t think that the people in the Red Cow are Ukrainians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I'll try again, We're have I ever mentioned peace keeping 🤔

    I've referred to Humanitarian Aid which has nothing to do with the security Council.

    You really must try harder, take your time

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    “Mother of God were do seriously belive 6000 people can be housed /accommodated by August”

    I think that the 6,000 are the estimated amount of promised places. In some cases, Garda vetting has to be gotten. All have to be inspected and approved. This takes time, I know, but it’s moving a bit faster than when first begun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I'm not doubting that may be the case, the problem is no one knows were these figures are coming from and if its pledged accommodation they refer to, I think that ship has sailed.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,559 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    You haven't referred to humanitarian aid, you've just made that up now. You have referred to the UN (or NGOs) creating safe zones in Ukraine as Putin then "wouldn't dare" attack them. Which flies in the face of reality and everything Russia have been up to for the past few months.

    And the UN are not going to create "safe zones" in a warzone without the SC being involved.



  • Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So the Gardi has to vet Irish citizens for Ukrainians who could enter the country with zero checks and no passports needed. Have I got that wrong?



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I read it in a link posted earlier, I think from that RTÉ report.

    Edited to add link and copy. “The Government is aiming to have 6,000 people in pledged accommodation by August.

    Local authorities are also refurbishing properties to make 3,000 places available in the short-term.

    Around a fifth of people who came here from Ukraine are working, mainly in the hospitality sector.

    The Government is now looking at ways of providing more language courses to help such refugees get jobs here.” https://www.rte.ie/news/ukraine/2022/0611/1304308-93-of-pledged-accommodation-is-not-housing-ukrainians/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,493 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    i think what will ultimately happen is when the population reaches an absolutely unmanageable proportion….

    more Irish citizens see.

    • more medical cards lost / reassigned
    • people unable to procure timely and affordable healthcare
    • dental appointments months in waiting
    • packed roadways, taking longer to travel short journeys, it’s starting..
    • packed public transport, Q’s off peak as well as peak times.. a brand new metro that is will be difficult to find a seat on.
    • no money for improving public transport and other infrastructure as bills for social welfare, healthcare and social housing are in their trillions.. I guarantee the second metro line is cancelled… or kick so far down the line I’ll be dead or retired…
    • the wait for those essentials like housing and attainable healthcare are years and years.
    • More expensive … flights/holidays, cars, private housing,
    • Every tax will rise while the services those taxes pay for will reduce in quality and accessibility.

    if you go into a pub, go to buy a round of drinks.. 6 pints of Guinness for yourself and friends… but you get charged for 9 pints but the barman gives you 3 and hands the other 6 with change to people sitting down at a table… that’s ireland for you….we end up paying top price for everything including what we don’t order or need, pay for it all, limited to what we can have ourselves to back OUR wellbeing and quality of life…

    the political classes and NGOs who are safely well off, big salaries, big pensions, cars…. So they don’t care..

    Remember…Helen McEntee “ an amnesty for illegal immigrants here “ & “no limit on Ukrainian refugees “

    in other words..

    ” fûck you, you are all second class citizens here… we are prioritising sorting out law breakers..( the clue is in ‘illegal’ ) with money, housing and healthcare…. And then Ukrainian refugees can arrive unlimited, unrestricted and benefit in every aspect that Irish taxpayers can but will be prioritised ahead of us for everything..”

    and they can stay and continue….

    so if you work as a bus driver, golf pro, warehouse operative, window cleaner, horticulturist, dentist, farmer, chef, merchandiser…. Every time that pay check hits the palm of your hand, look at that deductions column, be of the realisation that the amount of…

    PAYE, PRSI, USC…that will ever benefit you personally is minuscule…pay, but don’t get..

    we are competing for services, healthcare, wellbeing and quality of life…with others and we are loosing…



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