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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭enricoh


    No many bother responding to him at this stage- god bless yer patience!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Honestly, I'm free today until lunch time, just giving him/ her some attention as it appears badly needed 😁

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I never suggested it wasn't relevant, you trying to compare your friends situation to a vet treating an animal is not relevant. It's just plain silly.

    Now I have explained why several times, if the penny hasn't drop at this stage, not more I can do. We will have to leave it there, but if you want to start a thread on animal health care versus human health care, I'll gladly take a peek. 👍️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭enricoh


    On the rte news last night there is a huge shortage of accommodation for Ukrainians and big numbers of asylum seekers coming also.

    Councils are being told to identify sites for housing, prefab houses designs are being finalised, holiday homes looked at etc etc etc. Nothing in the piece mentioned the elephant in the room- there is no more room.

    They'll be looking into renting the tents off electric picnic for the winter come the autumn!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    O Dear your struggling now, I'm free until lunch time but have to then, keep going 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Precisely and if I recall weren't the councils and other state agencies told to do this two months ago, it's beginning to sound like ground hog day.

    But we can't mention Tents (It offends some people) 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Nothing in the piece mentioned the elephant in the room- there is no more room

    Why would they do that when it isn't actually true? I assume you read the piece?

    Today's meeting will hear of a plan to have 6,000 people placed in homes pledged by the public by the end of summer

    Secretary General of the Irish Red Cross Liam O'Dwyer has said while the number of people in pledged accommodation is around 1,300, he expects that figure to ramp-up fairly quickly now that systems are in place with the agencies that are doing the placing of refugees

    I'd be dubious about the claim "ramp-up" because it is beyond farcical, but there is 1000s of pledges still there, also the number of Refugees entering the country have slowed to a crawl relative to what it was, we are not near the prediction made for Easter at 40,000 and it's almost mid June.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Mother of God were do seriously belive 6000 people can be housed /accommodated by August 😳

    The Red Cross SG has been spouting the same nonsense for months, we anticipate, we predict, we presume claptrap, the Pledged idea has I'm afraid set sail and is simply no longer a viable alternative or solution (not that it ever was)

    As for predictions of increasing numbers, 100/200k were figure's banded about by government, it was never realistic to believe so many would come and more an attempt at spin, thinking if its lower people will find it more platable. This said, now it's clear the supports are more than generous with little or no checking or verifications, it wouldn't at all surprise me if we don't see a surge ahead of next winter, the only thing that might disway people coming is the increasing awareness of the chronic shortage of accommodation, who wants to travel 1000"s of miles to sleep on the floor of a Hotel Ballroom, let alone community sports hall.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    I'd be very surprised that the large amount of pledges given at the beginning of this war will materilaise at this stage. Between the rise of cost of living and seeing the pandering that the government has done to Ukrainans will turn people right off opening their homes to refugees now.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They need to be housed in Ukraine. Like in the majority of the country that isn’t a war zone



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,732 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    These people have food in their bellies, a roof over their heads, access to medical care, and money in their pockets. All provided by the Irish state and taxpayer.

    That's all they have a right to expect to be blunt and genuine refugees fleeing an actual warzone would be thrilled with that I'm sure. Given that Putin's invasion has stalled, and the size of Ukraine (most of which is untouched by the Russians), I have to ask what exactly some of these people are actually fleeing from.

    Lads wanting free gym memberships and services though is a different thing.

    But as I've said several times before too, these hotels or centres are not prisons. They are free to leave and return home or try another country if they wish



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,559 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The government is keeping conditions quite poor for them so they give up and go back to Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The whole country is at war, just because an area isn't been actively shelled or invaded doesn't mean society is functioning normally. That's been explained several times already. 8 million the bulk of which are women and children are internally displaced in Ukraine, so the idea that sure the rest of Ukraine is grand and it's only the rather large where the Soviets are committing genocide is quite remedial.

    That said the likes of Kyiv which is still being actively targeted it with Soviet missiles is seeing it's citizens return.

    The UN says that as of 1 June, 2,102,247 million Ukrainians have returned to Ukraine. Ukraine's border force says people are crossing back into the country at a rate of about 30,000 a day.

    Some are returning to areas of Ukraine such as the capital Kyiv, which were threatened by Russian army advances at the start of the war but which are now considered safer.

    Kyiv's mayor, Vitali Klitschko, says the city's population is back to two-thirds of its pre-war level.

    The next 100 days are vital, if Ukraine don't get the specialised weaponry to supress the Soviets, than further invasion is a distinct possibility, even into other countries or maybe an assault from the North again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭eggy81




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭B2021M


    At what price? Do you think all hotel rooms should sell for the same price?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭eggy81


    Of course not. Should be a price per season per room standard with no room for manoeuvre beyond maybe 5% to allow for inflation etc. Prices should be set 6 months out and monitored. Gouge away with food and drink then afterwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    The country as an entity is at war but it is not true to imply the entire country has been affected, infact its nonsense, as has been repeatedly noted, there are vast sways of Ukrainian that have had not so much as a fire cracker go off. This, not to imply small areas have suffered unspeakable carnage.

    What has baffled me and many others is the lack of any attempt by international agencies, UN etc set up safe Zones within Ukraine itself, even Putin and his warped priorities would not dare bomb un supervised safe zones.

    It's also very telling, Zelenskyy has made little effort to infact persuade people to stay who had actually no reason to leave in the first place, in essence he's quite happy for other countries take care of his responsibilities whilst he grand stands on the world stage, I believe, finally people are seeing through this former clown.

    Your response is to ramp up weapon supplies, prolong this mess is utterly perplexing. Billions have been poured into this mess and we're in precisely the same position we were last March.

    There is an end game coming, Putin will have made is point, Hold onto the territories he wanted. Negotiating will commence, Zelenskyy told to shut up, Ceasefire negotiated, Putin, slowly but surely welcomed back into the fold and Ukrainians left to pick up the pieces. Its not rocket science, we've Neen here before.

    O and not a chance in hell, Ukraine will get membership of NATO or EU.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,343 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Ah yeah Ukraine should just roll over and give into what the bully wants.

    What a world we would love in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Jesus comrade, not even trying to hide it there.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,560 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    What has baffled me and many others is the lack of any attempt by international agencies, UN etc set up safe Zones within Ukraine itself, even Putin and his warped priorities would not dare bomb un supervised safe zones.

    Of course he would. Also who is managing and enforcing these "safe zones"? It is an absolute dead end idea just like the no fly zones, as it is something that needs to be enforced and that would mean potentially engaging militarily with Russian forces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Roll over 🤔 what gives you that impression, we both know how this will end, why pretend otherwise.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    As I explained UN, NGO"s etc, you are aware or perhaps not it's been done countless times before and in active war zones, we're not talking about a tiny country here and all the evidence shows there are vast sways of Ukrainian territory not in the slightest bit affected by this war.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The idea the mass murdering psychopath wouldn't dare attack civilians is quite the extension of the Kremlin propaganda and lies.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,560 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    By what means are NGOs going to set up "safe zones"? You are talking about a country that has repeatedly set up "safe routes" out of besieged cities in order to attack those civilians who use them. The idea that some NGOs could set up safe zones that the Russians wouldn't dare attack is astoundingly misguided.

    The UN is also not going to do anything with Russia on the SC. It is a glaring flaw in the structure of the UN, but it is nonetheless the reality of the situation.

    Also there is not one iota of Ukraine "not in the slightest bit affected" by this war. Not currently having shells raining down on you is not the same as completely unaffected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    You know full well I'm referring to 80% of one of the largest countries in the world, the safe passages you refer to encompass cities being bombed, neither I or anyone suggested there is no bombing and carnage taking place.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,560 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl



    The Russians have struck as far west as Lviv. The idea 80% of the country is unaffected is utterly incorrect. And the point regarding the safe passages is that clearly Russia does not respect any kind of safe zone so its a complete nun-runner of an idea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I suggest you catch up on the news, general reporting, 20% of Ukraine is occupied or affected by conflict, this is not makey uppy stuff it's facts.

    I absolutely won't defend Putin he's a pig but has anyone including the UN even bothered to try and offer this as a possible solution to minimise displacement 🤔

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,343 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Well go on then.


    Tell us all how it is going to end?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,330 ✭✭✭creedp


    Who is paying for the vetinary services? Irish vets doing some generous pro bono work or being funded from the same extremely limited public pot which is supposed to fund essential mental health services for people living in this country. Its all a matter of priorities and not sure current priorities are acceptable.



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