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How long until we see €2 a litre and will it push more to EV's faster?

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,280 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i know people who would drive 3km further to a filling station to pay 2c a litre less (and save themselves maybe a euro in the process), but i have seen price gaps of more than 10% recently (€2.08/l vs €2.30/l, albeit a lot more than 3km apart) so we *are* into territory where the extra drive would be worth it for many.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    You might want to go back and look at my posts. Not once did I mention gouging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Great time for all this with COVID over

    Probably be back to being trapped at home the way its going



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    This is just nonsense.

    As someone who lives in a commuter county an hour from the M50, and works in tech/services for a large Irish company, there are no equivalent jobs or companies within the locality. If it wasn't for the ability to WFH (thankfully), I would probably be unemployed as moving back to Dublin isn't an option given not just the cost of housing/rentals but the extreme lack of supply and with the current costs of fuel, if would be costing me probably 700+ a month at the moment.

    There are bus and rail services to Dublin from the town but these are already at capacity at peak times. If the thousands of people hitting the motorway every day suddenly gave up the car, how exactly would they get to work on time?

    Anyone doing that sort of distance/mileage is doing it out of necessity. This idiotic idea being posted on this thread that such people should just change jobs, move, go buy a 30k+ car, use public transport, etc shows a complete detachment from the reality of those situations, complete with a dash of the "I'm alright Jack" culture that is all too common in this country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    How much of an environmental impact does it take to make an electric car versus an ice car?

    One has to question how the electricity that it consumes to charge it is that Green Party green?



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,280 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Anyone doing that sort of distance/mileage is doing it out of necessity.

    i work(ed) with several people who did it by choice, before WFH was a possibility. one lad who moved from clondalkin to near gorey. that said, the demographic i'm in and most people i deal with in work would be mid 40s+, who would be in a better position to live where they want to live rather than where they have to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Does that really matter?


    Older technology will always be replaced by more advanced systems.


    Ultimately that is why car companies are walking away from ICE cars.


    They are making a virtue out of necessity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,537 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    The reality is that we were pushed by government policy from petrol to diesel, not saying things will change back but they don't always get it right and there are valid questions about how green the electric cars are.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,280 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i suspect half the customers are russian oligarchs filling their lamborghinis and tricked out range rovers.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Sorry it was another person that said it initially.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,511 ✭✭✭harr


    Prices should stabilise a bit over the next few days and might see a drop in prices in some stations . Wholesale a slight drop last two days .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    I wonder how the uniparty will tax EV electricity usage in the future? Probably deem it necessary to install tracking so they can tax the electricity at a higher rate. Otherwise what, entirely different cicruit for home charging? If you can have a home charger that is.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Probably higher tolls, higher motor tac more toll booth and more expensive parking would be my guess.

    At some point I'd expect the savings people currently enjoy with an ev to be counterbalanced by higher taxes, it will happen soon I'd say as the incentives gap is too wide at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭iColdFusion


    If there's one potential benefit to all this mess is if its gets people to think twice about buying some large SUV they don't need, at least the electric offerings have been slow in this sector so you see far more electric hatchbacks and saloons which could be a nice change in direction but then its probably only a matter of time, the Ioniq 5 is far bigger in the flesh than I thought!

    Ill suck up the petrol prices and be sticking with my petrol guzzler for the foreseeable future but have a lot of want for an Etron GT, they look the business 😎

    The Honda E is cool too but I don't think I've ever seen one on the road.

    To be honest this is how the electric car war gets won, just make them cool and aspirational and far more people will buy them, Nissan especially have copped onto this, a Gen 1 Leaf was horrible to look at but the new one looks decent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    Yeah these are all easy ones to implement for sure, the people still paying high road tax will just get double caught. The ones likely not to be able to afford a new "low" tax car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,479 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    It's not nonsense, some people genuinely don't have an issue commuting an hour each way. Just because a lot of people are doing it out of necessity and some are miserable doesn't mean everyone is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Your argument is that people want to live in Meath or Kildare and don't want to give up their Dublin jobs.

    I'd suggest that's because they can't find an equivalent job locally, or alternatively, an equivalent house in Dublin.

    I don't mind an hour or so on the motorway either, but if I had the option to either have an equivalent place to live for the same money as I pay here, or a job for my skill set/salary locally then of course I'd take those options instead.

    Luckily I have the option to work from home pretty much indefinitely, so that works for now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    I really don't think so. As it was it wasn't even noticed as it was swallowed up immediately and the same would happen again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,539 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Your talking in riddles again, was maths a weak subject for you in school or something?

    It's still 20c/15c cheaper per litre now than it was without the excise duty reduction. As for not being noticed, you don't know that. That 20c/15c per litre difference could be breaking point for some folks filling their car versus putting food on the table. I'm beginning to wonder do you even own a car with some of the comments your posting here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,038 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Can our government or EU put a cap on fuel prices?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Dunno ya probably if the Saudis agree to the cap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    Eamonn Ryan could hardly put a cap back on a milk bottle.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't see how. Who takes the hit if the global prices keep increasing?

    • The producers won't
    • The traders won't
    • The refineries won't
    • The retailers won't

    Only option left is the taxation on it and that's used to pay for a lot of govt services so that can't take a hit unless the solution involves cuts to social welfare, healthcare and education etc



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,852 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    What is the obsession some have for him? To my knowledge, Ryan has no control over fuel taxes or duties as that is dictated by the Dept of Finance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Massive waste in all 3 but cutting that waste impossible



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,454 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    The Slovenians and the Hungarians did, I think the Romanians also did. I believe in Slovenia it can't go over 1.50 or so. So it is possible. At this stage though I'd be looking more at the motor tax side than the fuel side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    I don't know how feasible it would be, or if it would put the EU at the back of the Q to buy oil.

    But perhaps the EU could just say that it's not going to pay more than X for crude oil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,991 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    I just filled up the tank (petrol) this morning at my local Applegreen in north Dublin, its now €2.12 a litre of petrol , Diesel is higher at €2.14 a litre.

    Staff said prices went up overnight. Customers giving out about the increases.

    That said it still would not entice me to buy an EV car as we just dont have the charging infrastructure here in Ireland.

    The government needs to build and provide way more charging stations .

    I was in the Czech Republic last year and was very impressed with their charging infrastructure even in the more remote parts of the country.

    They use a lot of cars with LPG built in to the cars.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Haven’t seen anything as cheap as 2.12 for a few days. I’d be filling up at that price



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