Toyota bz4X

not a road tripper !! 4 hours to fast charge ?

The single motor has a different battery pack and will charge faster apparently.

Will be interesting to see if Toyota update the charging curve at a later date.

We can clearly see that the car can do 87 kw at lower SOC so the potential is there to flatten the charge curve.

The Mustang had some similar issues at higher SOC - it used to drop to 12 kw at over 82 percent and I understand that Ford changed it.

It's not a controversial statement. It's quite well known. They've even been ranked third among global corporations, behind ExxonMobil and Chevron, in their lobbying against climate policies. Even the companies own investors have started having a go at them, telling them they need to change.

Can’t DC charge the AWD version if the temp is below 0 degrees Celsius 😂😂😂

2 Charging times are estimated based on ideal charging conditions. As temperatures decrease below 50 degrees Fahrenheit, charging time will increase significantly. Drive battery level and condition, charger specifications and DC charging more than twice per day also can negatively affect charging time. DC charging may not work on AWD bz4x when the temperature is below 32 degrees Fahrenheit.

Also DC charging more than 2 times per day will have a detrimental effect on DC charging speeds…… so that’s the Taxi drivers fecked…..

https://pressroom.toyota.com/five-things-to-know-about-the-all-electric-toyota-bz4x/

4.4 hours to DC charge from 0 up to 99% (the guy got bored and quit at 99% as it looked like never making it to 100%)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TzCMsKd8s8

What an absolute turd.

Yeah but they can all still eventually get to 100% and no more than 4 hours certainly…. I’ve been to 100% on a DC charger a few times and the entire charging stop (from around 30%) was never more than an hour.

the guy gave up as after over 4 hours waiting, it wouldn’t budge from 99%

the charging curve was also fairly brutal…. 50% and it was down to 50kW

Toyota are either incredibly incompetent, or they just do not want this BEV to succeed.

Exactly.

In terms of the 100 percent thing - my Ioniq will never reach 100 percent on a DC charger because Hyundai limit the car to 94 percent when DC charging...

Thats probably to protect the battery which i assume is why Toyota are starting out with this charging curve.

Remember that the charging curve can probably be updated later with BMS software updates....

As for the below 0 degrees charging thing - its going to have to be tested and its a worry..

But I suspect the car WILL DC charge below 0 degrees albeit slower.

The idea that Toyota would deliver a car that cant DC charge in freezing conditions on purpose just to damage EVs.

Is the type of nonsense anti EVers come out with when saying you need a new battery every 2 years.

Enough is know about EVs at this point that only Toyota gets damaged by any deliberate action to undermine EVs.

Or indeed deliberately letting a car to market knowing it has a serious flaw

I did see a twitter comment all right that said in America they come with different batteries in the AWD (CATL) & FWD (Panasonic) versions, and seemingly in Europe both AWD & FWD versions will have the same Panasonic battery from the FWD American version (i.e. not the battery above that cold gates), so maybe that'll help things a little..

When the biggest manufacturer by sales in Ireland finally releases it's BEV, it'll sell by the bucket load here.. no doubt. Charging in the wild will get really fun then.

What's the battery size?

And they're only giving a WLTP range of 420km? That seems really poor.

Thats a lot of battery for what will essentially end up as a 250-300km real world range EV...

And I'd guess there's a load of Totoya loyalists queuing up for one of these, with little knowledge of what it can actually do in real world terms... and their trusty local toyota dealer won't be much use to them on the knowledge front as they've spent the last 15 years convincing people that plug = bad & 100% petrol powered = good...

Timmy will be very disappointed when he realises his 400km round trip down to the folks won't be achievable in a car with a 420km 'range' without needing a charge up along the way!! and if the pi$$ poor DC charging speeds make it over here on European spec cars, eCars will be earning loads of overstay fee's from team toyota.

My local toyota dealer rang me last week. Prices are confirmed.

Advanced 49 +delivery

Sport 55 + delivery

Premier 59 + delivery,

Which is 7k more than what they previously said. Aparently sales are very poor. They have confirmed 12 cars in august will be delivered. Only 6 had a deposit and 2 of those were questioning if they would go ahead. "its a complete mess from sales and marketing" is what he told me.

Options are not set yet.

As i said in my previous posts - the official Sales brochure from Toyota Europe to the sale people on the floor mentioned the below:

Advance will not be available in ireland until 2023. Only premier and Sport available in 2022

Ranges, WLTP Advanced 500. Sport 485. Premier 435.

Nope, that includes the grant.

Business was 5 k more which doesnt include the grant.

Yup. Me and a few lads in work were all looking to buy them.

I drove up to dublin when it was in the shopping center for two days. nice car. Its not worth 50k though. I dont know what toyota were thinking.....and what made them think they were going to be competitive by increasing the price by 7k.

I saw in the another forum in the USA, that some dealerships were putting up their fees by 10k, purely because they expect people to rush out and buy this with the shortage of other brands. All those guys on that forum basically said...no toyota, its the Ioniq5 or ModelY for them.

Not sure if it was here or on Facebook, but I saw a chart recently listing the top 10 companies in terms of the money and effort spent campaigning against environmental issues.

Toyota were in the top 5 I think.

Ring a bell for anyone?

Bingo, thanks.

6kW only on 75kWh battery is nonsense. Couple that with bad DC speeds (not the coldgate issue, just slow speeds in general) and you basically can't charge the car at all at a reasonable speed.

The 6.6 limit on AC is not a deal breaker for many, and it has 150kw DC charging which is more than adequate.

6.6 kw limit, has a minimal impact on home charging, and really only impacts those who regularly use ac chargers of 11 to 22kw, which i suspect, only impacts a minority of ev users.

Which is about the price of the new Kia E Niro is likely to be, (price tbc)so its a real head to head for these two

edit, actually Toyota has an on the road price of over 46k currently on their website, so i am guessing at least 47k with metallic before vrt relief

For AC, thats true for shared work 22kw work chargers, but the majority of EV users, do not have access to 22kw ac chargers at work, so for that majority, the limitation, has no impact on them.

The bz4x has a dc max capability, which is very comparable with other ev’s. Its well specced in that regard.

I've only seen one outcome of tests, which showed the same ridiculous DC speeds. It being toyota it doesnt surprise me.

If theres a different version with better spec where's the independent video tests showing it?

"We need to wait for more charging tests of various versions of the Toyota bZ4X, but if there is a big difference between the charging time of the AWD and FWD version"

This is what I'm saying though. The only car tested is the crap one, and we have to believe toyota (lol at that) that a better spec is coming? I'll believe it when I see it impartially tested from the likes of out of spec or Bjorn.