Russia - threadbanned users in OP

I basically agree. It might be justified, as much as these things can be anyway, to hit a Russian city 'just because' in order to bring some of the pain of war home to Russia, but it would be unwise from an overall strategic point of view. It would only help gain support for the war among the Russian public, and something Ukraine really doesn't need is ever greater numbers of Russian troops being poured into their territory.

On the other hand, hitting strategic targets within Russia's territory, like supply depots, transport infrastructure and so on, especially near Ukraine's borders would be uncalled-for and is something they've already been doing to an extent. Frustratingly, this is one of the things that longer ranged weapons would help to do more of, only such weapons are being withheld for the very (ostensible) reason of not allowing Ukraine to wage an offensive war and possibly provoke Putin into an escalation.

I agree. We should send what weapons we have even if it is only a small amount.

Chances are zero, they would be losing the moral superiority and nothing to gain from it militarily and would probably be nuked in response.

Would there not be a chance that bringing the war to Russia, would make them rally against the war? no one wants their city bombed or their family and friends killed.

Bizarrely you present your personal viewpoint as some type of universal truth. Hate to break it to you - its not.

I could just as easily claim you're substituting your own reality for "the dirty world of geopolitics and what is tolerable"

And the most bizarre thing is that I only occasionally post in this thread so I would go as far to say you are projecting when I repeat that 'you seem very irked by people looking at this situation differently'

Macron indeed is out on a limb with Scholz.

Whatever about Macrons version of appeasement it should not be suggested that this is the sole model of diplomacy.

"He's not alone in calling for a diplomatic result, even Ukraine have signalled it"

But maybe you haven't read the news?

"Ukraine's foreign minister Dmytro Kuleba says "calls to avoid humiliation of Russia can only humiliate France and every other country that would call for it."

if you can't figure out how Macron is acting as an appeaser to Putin, I really can't help you.

But plenty of experts have already spoken out against such an idea. This is just one. There's lots more.

Nope. But bizarrely thats seems to be yet another contrarian comment in reply to others here - where you have a go at whoever is posting and ignore the topic under discussion. And no thats not a 'victim" mentality as you've previously came out with - it's simply an observation. But hey whatever.

But yeah once again you're incorrect there. What I posted was not "opinion" rather the fact that Ukraine is not supporting Macrons version of 'diplomacy' as was suggested and as detailed Macron appeasement is considered a poor idea by plenty of experts.

But then from your comments here I see you seem to think that Putin and friends are nice lads. Do I think you're correct? No. No I don't funnily enough.

I'll leave you at it.

Russian troops shelling Kharkiv

I can see it happening very soon.

Putin has been dictating the terms of this war. Using the safety of Russian soil to launch missile and air attacks on Ukraine.

If Ukraine launches counter attacks on these sites. It's game over for Russia they'll have lost their advantage.

It's why Putin is getting ancy now at the thought of targets getting hit in Russia proper now with these new long range artillery coming in to Ukraine. Threatening death to American and European sites.

Ukraine have already fired into Russia. They went after fuel depots in Belgorod and Bryansk

The posting of twitter articles, you tube videos, telegram feeds etc and discussing them is very interesting and what most people want to see here in this thread imho. There is nothing worse than two posters going over and back endlessly page after page arguing for the sake of arguing trying to have the last word.

When the thread gets real busy I just skip to the posts with Articles.

Except that they have shown that they won't let hm take Ukraine, he's pretty incapable of it anyway. How did respect ever come into this? It's looking to the peace and putting out that notion, however currently pointless that might be. Someone has to do it while others are busy shouting kill and no mercy.