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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,079 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    I think you are misreading it. His mistake was that he attacked Ukraine. But all those atrocities you can't call a mistake. They are war crimes.

    Mistake is when you miscalculate something and get a result different from what you hoped for. But knowingly breaking law and committing crimes is not a mistake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    I will read the full article later, but from the few paragraphs I have read, they're are a number of glaring errors.

    Firstly, the idea that Russia actually tried to foster an amicable working relationship with zelensky is laughable. Absolutely laughable.

    Secondly, that Russia felt Ukraine were not abiding by the Normandy summit, and any special status for Donbass. Russia's ability to abide by its commitments is matched only by the european level of stupid that believes It will.

    If we imagine how much humanity has to offer, if we really imagine, if we think of some of the brilliant minds and some of the amazing things we have done, it's so disappointing that episodes like this are what tend to define our species .

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,180 ✭✭✭eire4


    Excellent post and well said. This is not just about Russia as well. We live in a free and open society. If we want to continue to do that and believe in democracy then Russia and it's authoritarian dictatorship needs to be defeated. Russia will not stop trying to wipe out Ukraine if yet another compromise is reached here. They will come back for more and keep coming back and move on to other countries unless they are defeated and stopped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,891 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Russia absolutely need to be defeated in the sense of being driven out of Ukraine. It's just really disappointing that there appears not to be the political will to do this. Lots of trolls are gleefully using this as a way to sow cynicism in the West about its political institutions, i.e. the EU being the Germany/France show rather than put up the call to place more pressure on the leaders of these countries to put their personal or political issues aside and do what needs to be done. I'll give the trolls this much - they've largely been more subtle of late, but they're still out there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭badabing106



    He is speaking in relation to Russia assessment. He is trying to understand from their point of view


    Here Is his summary assessment

    My argument regarding Russia's behavior:

    1) Moscow switched from deterrence to compellence

    2) The key issue is Moscow believes Kyiv will remain hostile and is increasing its defensive capabilities

    3) the costs of inaction are greater than an escalation


    note the crucial importance of the first point in that thread in January


    Ukraine currently lacks a strong long-range fires capability. If they acquire that, they will have stronger conventional deterrence vis-à-vis Russia and could strike Russian cities. So a military escalation would be more costly for Moscow in the future than now. 2/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Here's the original source i was referring to.

    Apologies it's 100 in each brigade. Not sure what they're down from to start with. But it goes some way to explaining why the Izyum salient effectively stalled and it wasn't necessarily all relocation of troops to stall the Kharkiv retreat or Severodonetsk assault.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    The problem with this view (Russia's view) is that it is devoid of fact or rationale. Russia's reasons for this invasion have changed multiple times over the past few months, from the downright bizarre to the utterly indefensible.

    Moscow will say whatever it feels the 'intelligent' (Idiots) in the west will believe in order to get whatever it wants. But at the end of the day it just boils down to one thing. Moscow doesn't give a **** what the west thinks. It has shown that multiple times over the years.

    For example, Moscow doesn't worry that Ukraine is increasing its defensive capabilities or could be hostile. Moscow was worried that Ukraine had a more prosperous path ahead of it as it had aligned with western values and hence the russian people might see what could be achieved if they had a government who cared for its people instead of fleecing them for its own benefit.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Ukrainian aviation conducted airstrikes near Ivanivka, Davydiv Brod and Soldatske of Kherson region

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭drivingmissdaisy


    Ukraine is a fighter on the ropes getting beaten to a pulp

    It corner men(EU/USA) need to be brave and throw in the towel

    The longer it goes on the more damage Ukraine gets, its over Ukraine lost, accept it and prevent long term damage.

    Remember we where told Russian was running out of everything a week or two into the war? How is that looking now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Thanks for your insightful opinion, I'm sure you have nothing against Ukraine (checks posting history and quelle surprise)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    This is essentially saying Russia tried the “diplomacy” route pre war and tried to cut a deal with the Ukrainians to allow a peaceful annexation of the Donbas. That didnt work so they massed troops on the border, tried to cut a deal with the Americans, in a sort of pre WW2 deal twix hitler and Stalin over Poland, which didn’t work. So they had no choice but to invade because Ukraine was being “ non compliant”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    Post edited by Beasty on

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny


    The top 3 countries in the world for the highest rates of alcohol abuse are Hungry, Russia and Belarus. Interesting correlation with alcoholism and brutality I think.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcoholism-by-country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Not really. He's just presenting a line of thinking that needs to be remain out there and must give a sense that Russia are not complete pariahs and Putin needs to be aware that route still exists. After all, conclusions to conflict are resolved between enemies and that means the diplomatic route. 

    This seems to be quite anathema to those kill all Russians and send them back to the Stone Age posters. They're going to end up that way anyhow as the pressure on their economy will slowly strangle it but it's just not as satisfying as all the shiny hardware that people imagine will finish it all off. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Why would Germany block Spain, an independent country, sending tanks to Ukraine. There German made but Germany don’t own them.

    Re the 17 hand picked mercs, I was accused of being an apologist for Putin for some bizarre reason and 17 doppelgängers liked that post.

    In future if your going to refer to a post of mine do it directly by replying to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    This is what France and Germany are saying in public, what are they saying in private.


    I think the solidarity from Berlin and Paris over the last few months will encourage Putin to continue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Maybe you don’t understand what irony means🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    He can't continue if he has no army and few weapons. Diplomacy is where this ends and it is far more complex than this type of reasoning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    He didn't, your perception of what's happening introduced it into things. One thing these last 100 days and the 2 years before that have taught is that we need to park frustrations, impotent rage and fears or they just continue to feed on us. The virus was to blame for the last two years just as Putin is to blame for the last 100 days. Neither Macron nor anyone else started this brutal misadventure.

    Post edited by is_that_so on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,572 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Ya perhaps Europe would have been better off with Marian Le Pen who like her father is a racist and wanted to bring a racist agenda into French government policies. In 2015 she got money from Russia to fight the French election, she even had a photo op with Putin in the Kremlin with a lotto sized novelty cheque. She would have been worse then Trump.

    Maybe consult sources outside of Twitter for information before going off on one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    UK MoD seem to confirm Ukraine claims of a counterattack in Sieverodonetsk. Judging by this the clearing troops are not top notch.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Diplomacy happens only when one side has been battered in to it.


    At the moment, Putin has no reason to take diplomacy serious. There is no benefit for Russia in it.


    Macron and Scholz are showing him that when things become difficult that they will not be a problem.


    Putin views this as part of a wider existential war against Western Europe. Cutting energy, cutting food supply to North Africa, he is banking on a tidal wave of migration sweeping against Western Europe.


    As the Ukraine Foreign Minister said, Macron is only humiliating France.


    France, Germany and a few other key players in Western Europe, don't want a Ukrainian victory.


    In eventual peace talks. If they happen, Paris and Berlin will not be viewed as impartial by Kyiv.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    There are absolutely no impartial actors in this at all. Kyiv too has its own agenda, a righteous one perhaps but not necessarily one that will deliver 100% of their demands. Again, I don't see where your reasoning that they don't want Ukraine to win is coming from, apart from a deep-rooted dislike for France and Germany and a personal distaste for any hint of half-dangling carrots to Putin.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You do realise you can despise Le Pen AND be disgusted by Macrons statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Going back to the pre 2022 invasion is going to be a tremendous humiliation for Russia and especially Putin.


    The Red Army battered and not an inch to show for it.


    Macron is showing Putin that that is not on the cards.


    It's not Anti French or Anti German to want Russia to be defeated.


    Your line about not delivering 100% of kyiv demands is interesting.


    Do you agree that weapons exports and sanctions against Russia should be continuously ramped up until they return to pre 22 territory.


    We know that Scholz and Macron do not, do you.


    Are you just negotiating a surrender?



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You’re wasting your time, Red. Go pedal your weak PR somewhere they will pretend to agree with you, like back in Mother Russia.

    Ukraine is fighting an existential threat. Give up and they will be murdered and abused until they become Putin’s ‘good Russians’ And for Putin, a serf like compliant subject is the only ‘good Russian’.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    This is not evidence, this is your belief. He's reminding him that another option still exists. Macron has no control over what will happen to Russia in Ukraine if they persist to the bitter end and he cannot and will not do anything to help them on the sanctions front until they give this up and withdraw. With the key position of Sieverodonetsk, they may see this as an opportunity to make a big announcement if they can even get it under control but the effort expended in capturing one city of 100K really makes the rest of their war effort looks very bleak indeed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Da fuq? The video and quote is from Russia state TV

    It's whats televised to the majority of Russian people.

    There are no credible fvuking "reasons" for the invasion of Ukraine other than the deranged mentality of one individual. The same individual who through the states ownership of Russia TV promulgates his own twisted version of reality.



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