Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

slay55 · 02-06-2022 10:06AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148241#Comment_119148241

Not a chance, this is a welfare state. Generations choose to live on benefits here long before refugees and other migrants came in to the country. The government will never stop anyone’s “entitlement “

Irelandsnumberone · 02-06-2022 12:10PM

Have the TDs who said they would be taking in refugees kept to their word?

I know Helen suddenly had a brain wave and realised after saying it she lived in the country and it wouldn't be suitable but what about the rest?

Beasty · 02-06-2022 12:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148200#Comment_119148200

7 bedrooms, 2 large doubles, and 2 very large doubles, plus 3 smaller bedrooms, where you could still get 2 singles or a single and a bunk. If you have younger children/babies sharing with parent(s) and 2 sets of bunks in 2 of the larger rooms you can reasonably comfortably get 20 in. Add to that 3 reception rooms (one of which is a very large kitchen/sitting/dining room), plus another 2 decent sized rooms above the garage that can perhaps be used as kids playrooms. There's also just shy of half and acre of garden. They will still have a lot more room and facilities than in a hotel, army barracks, sports halls and the like

freemickey · 02-06-2022 12:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148241#Comment_119148241

Puppies aren't just for Christmas shocker.

The money is going to run out (it already has, but the "magic money" will run out too).

Serious decisions lie ahead.

YFlyer · 02-06-2022 07:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119149042#Comment_119149042

14 max.

B2021M · 02-06-2022 07:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148241#Comment_119148241

How does this decision interact with the famous EU Directive??

riddles · 02-06-2022 09:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150974#Comment_119150974

Meanwhile we are creating an acting director of service position in every single local authority also a grade 7 and a grade 3 dealing specifically with Ukrainian refugees.

the blankety blank cheque book and pen solution appears again.

olestoepoke · 03-06-2022 06:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147812#Comment_119147812

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2022/0601/1302544-ukrainians-schools/

It's all good, no need to worry they have it all figured out. Every child will get a place according to the minister for education. These people are not living in the real world, are we going to ignore struggle for school places in some areas over the last few years?

goose2005 · 03-06-2022 08:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119152063#Comment_119152063

Meath schools are already among the most overcrowded in Ireland.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/cram-school-two-thirds-of-primary-school-pupils-stuck-in-overcrowded-classrooms-38316566.html

I found similar stories from 2007 and 2015, presumably it'll be the same in 2029

Dempo1 · 03-06-2022 10:28PM

This was predictable

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0603/1302939-ukrainian-children/

Meanwhile, more disruption for families being shipped over the tge City West

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ukrainian-families-upset-after-getting-just-48-hours-notice-to-relocate-from-city-centre-hotel-41718500.html

All going swimmingly 🙄

Strumms · 03-06-2022 10:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148241#Comment_119148241

I imagine we’d end up cancelling the metro first

04-06-2022 09:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119156116#Comment_119156116

The Mayo story shows the foolishness of people bringing refugees in without using the proper channels.

The story re families being moved to City West from other temporary accommodation is just that. A story. Children are adaptable. The families knew that the accommodation was temporary and City West will be longer term.

No doubt some will use both articles to have a pop at the Government.

Dempo1 · 04-06-2022 09:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119156822#Comment_119156822

I certainly don't blame Government for the Mayo situation, that's at the door of an irresponsible charity and I've said so numerous times and was critised roundly for daring to question what they did.

Re City West, it is rapidly turning into a DP center on steroids, I absolutely disagree with the government's handling of this entire debacle, but in relation to the specific story , it just shows the disconnect on what these refugees need, at a basic level of competence and with a week to go before schools finish up, you'd think someone, anyone might think temporary transport might be needed to help the children complete the school term .

I know in my local village , 22 Ukranian Women, including teenagers are getting a private bus service put on and paid for by the state to bring them to shops etc three times a week , how they ended up in a village in the middle of nowhere and in questionable accommodation setting is another matter.

iamwhoiam · 04-06-2022 10:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119156822#Comment_119156822

I will have a pop at the Government . Before those children were moved someone somewhere should have thought to provide a temporary solution to transport them to school . A simple solution is to hire a bus for the four weeks to ease the stress on children and families who do not need additional stress right now .

Dempo1 · 04-06-2022 10:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119157045#Comment_119157045

Joined up thinking in short supply, More lessons will be learned, etc etc 😉

_Kaiser_ · 04-06-2022 11:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119157045#Comment_119157045

I do sympathise with these people but only to an extent. The measures that are being implemented to give them long term supports and access to our labour market, welfare system and other services (at the obvious cost to those already struggling to avail of/access those services) is frankly ridiculous.

These people have supposedly fled a warzone (notwithstanding the size of Ukraine and that large areas are untouched by it) to a country with significant problems ourselves that we have repeatedly failed to addressed and heard every excuse for not doing so.

This may sound harsh, but basic shelter, food and medical care is about all these folks should expect. Anything else should be dependent on their ability to work (and have useful skills to do so), availability of school places that doesn't involve "skipping the queue, and in short via the same methods as the rest of us.

If that is not to their liking or expectations, then they are surely welcome to go elsewhere or even to the large parts of their own country untouched by the war.

We can only do so much and we're already struggling to meet the "come one come all" idiocy of the Government and this is in summer. Imagine what will happen when we get to autumn and winter when the current costs of living ramp up massively and especially if hysteria over Covid case numbers starts again.

iamwhoiam · 04-06-2022 12:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119157384#Comment_119157384

I get what you are saying and you have a point .But these are children , uprooted from their homes, their friends and their schools .They have four weeks left to enjoy sports days , school trips and end of year fun . I dont think its too much to ask to suplly a bus for a few weeks .

Luxembourgo · 04-06-2022 01:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119157561#Comment_119157561

Are there buses available?

My wife is a teacher and said getting one got a trip was really difficult, and extortionatly expensive (not that cost matters to the government)

And I do sympathise with them for the reasons you have stood, but stability until the end of a war that is likely to drag in is important.

04-06-2022 01:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119157561#Comment_119157561

I dont think its too much to ask to suplly a bus for a few weeks .

Whereas I'm thinking of the added expense, in paying wages, insurance, fuel etc. There's always going to be another "small" expense that could possibly improve their experiences here, but it all adds up (if people can be bothered to add up the costs, which I suspect are being deferred until much later)

As Kaiser said, the only real consideration is that their basic needs are met. Anything else can be covered by the parents.. as they adjust to living here.

TBH I'm more than a bit bemused that we're not seeing more setups (similar to home schooling) with Ukrainian teachers so that they can teach their own, rather than pushing Ukrainian children into our schools, disregarding the costs, differences, etc. Just seems so inefficient.

iamwhoiam · 04-06-2022 01:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119157629#Comment_119157629

The red cross were given millions by the Irish after the Late Late show( I think it was in the region of 15 million in total ) .I would be very interested to know where that money went , then is is maybe something they could be seen to do .

Jarhead_Tendler · 04-06-2022 01:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119152063#Comment_119152063

Our kids have not seen a speech and language therapist or an O T in school in the last 4 years. Services for kids with additional needs in schools are so so broken

04-06-2022 02:02PM

I dunno, trying to get them into a school - if there's room available - is probably a good idea to help meet new people and be in a "normal" setting again. But to actually try to get 17 year old Oleksiy up to speed on Macbeth or whatever play is on the course this year is a bit silly. Same for most other subjects. Seems a bit pointless in the grand scheme of things.

airy fairy · 04-06-2022 03:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119157777#Comment_119157777

It seems to be all about wanting the kids get normality, make friends etc, but reality is, no matter how anyone tries, this isn't going to be an easy fix. And we tend to forget about the Irish kids, those who have made or will make friends, on a temporary basis, that's hard for them too.

As Klaz suggested, I think it would be far better served that these kids go online and continue their syllabus from their Ukrainian schooling. Especially the ones that will return again, why pack Irish schools with kids that don't need to be there. Putting them straight into the Irish system is cruel anyway.

CeCe12 · 04-06-2022 08:28PM

Hello to all who post on this thread. I have been following for a while but felt the need to add my 2 cents. I agree 100 percent with Kaiser in relation to the refugees expectation should not exceed basic accomodations, food and medical treatment. On a human level I sympathise with the children being distrupted again so close to summer however our nation has bent over backwards to facilitate the incoming refugees and I feel we are at our capacity limit. Look on daft only around 850 properties available in the whole country to rent. Caps must be placed, unlimited is simply unfeasible. I think we as a nation are providing very well for the refugees and as someone said come winter we will be in a global recession if not already. Beasty and iamwhoiam my hats off to you both for helping I would too but am not in a situation too.

brenersar · 05-06-2022 12:03AM

Still not getting why we pay them full dole rate when free food, accommodation, medical cards, back to school, free third level education etc are provided. Isn't it lunacy? Is it fair toward taxpayers contributing to this country for years and years, getting nothing but tax bills.