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Does your rent go up every year?

  • 02-06-2022 1:30pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭jo187


    I have no doubt my landlord will raise my rent this year. They will do this very year until we leave.

    I know boards is pro Landlord, I'm just asking from the other side if you LL is putting the rent up every chance they get.

    Does your rent go up every year? 76 votes

    Yes
    22% 17 votes
    No
    77% 59 votes


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭BronsonTB


    Any normal landlord will be increasing it yearly within inflation/allowed increases (rent zones) etc.

    Not sure it's fair to say boards is pro-landlord - Alot of threads over the years for both sides.

    It's a hot topic at the moment alright but I'd say the demand / supply ratio is just way off at the moment to get a fair result on that poll.

    BTB

    www.sligowhiplash.com - 2nd & 3rd Aug '25



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,542 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Plenty of landlords say this forum is pro-tenant. Moderation is pro following the rules, nothing else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭ballyharpat


    wow, what a way to open up a topic, the government is pro landlord as well, right? that's why they are leaving the market in droves. get that chip off your shoulder buddy, as it stands, any results that show up are skewed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭jo187


    Ha ha first three comments are all about the fact I find boards more pro Landlords and not the subject in question. Triggered much.

    I ask this because I remember seeing on the John Oliver show a segment where they discussed people living in mobile homes. They had audio of one of the guys who owned the park talking about putting the price up every year as they could not afford to move or there was no where else to go. So they paid the increased rent and cut back on other things. Like food, medicine etc.

    I feel in the same place and wondering if other tenants are getting there rent put up every year.

    I'm not here to argue rather that's right or wrong just how other people find it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster




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  • Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭jo187


    Yeah I'm aware of that. It's called a comparison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Primetime had a couple of single women, one with a kid, who are living beside each other in Sligo in three and four bedroom houses. They were complaining that their rent is going up by 600 this year.

    While that is obviously a huge increase, I find it shocking that some renters think they have the right to complain about not being able to afford a houses with two spare bedrooms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭C3PO


    A landlord would be a fool not to put up the rent every year and by the maximum allowable. An unintended consequence of poor legislation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,650 ✭✭✭✭ted1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,650 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    why Would he be a fool? I guess you there’s a fine line between not being a fool. And being a dick



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  • Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭jo187


    I find if anyone says anything negative or ask tough questions about LL's on here there quick to respond and get defensive.

    I think on average boards poster's are older so some are property owners or landlords.

    So there more sympathetic to that side. Versus social media which is a younger demographic, which swings more sympathetic to tenants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭howiya


    Why would a landlord be considered a dick for putting up the rent?

    I'm a tenant. Voted yes in the poll as my rent has gone up each year.

    Am I happy to get the increase notice? Obviously not. But I don't consider our landlord a dick for increasing the price.

    We knew this when we began the tenancy but the RPZ legislation is shite. I think it came in the year before we moved here. It has baked in annual increases. If a landlord doesn't increase the rent they can never legally catch up with the going rate unless they leave the place empty for two years or perform certain upgrades which they might not be able to afford. As the other person said they'd be a fool not to put it up.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I suspect most people understand that rental properties are investments, the aim of most investments ted is to make profit.

    Also, if for instance you take the case highlighted in the media recently in Sligo, it is reasonable to assume that RPZ legislation will be extended countrywide given the difficulties finding rental accommodation, if the owner of those properties does not raise rent to market rate before it is made a RPZ, his/her good intentions are rewarded by having their rental income locked at a level significantly below forever more.

    Lastly, considering the minute level of increase being allowed is significantly below inflation, any owner reliant on rental income would be a fool to be losing money by not increasing rent, not to mention the expected double interest hike in mortgage rates that economists are predicting this year due to ECB raising their rates twice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭MakersMark


    I've never raised the rent on a sitting tenant.


    My current tenants are paying about 500 less than I was offered when I put it up for rent.

    They've been there since 2018 and I'm very happy with them. I wont raise the rent on them either. When they leave, I'll keep the property vacant until my kids need a place if they choose to go to college.



    Previous tenant had vanished owing 6 months rent and wrecking the place.

    Turns out she was claiming the dole and rent allowance and went to live with her mum rather than pay rent.

    Classy system we have.


    Not all landlords are money grubbing bastards, despite what the Hard Left Ultras on Boards would have you believe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭MakersMark


    Thanks for insulting me for not squeezing every last cent out of my tenants.

    Your post says more about you then me.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    At current rate of inflation, you are losing money on your investment, voluntarily. You have made a decision to NEVER raise rent on existing tenants despite economic conditions and irrespective of the tenants ability to pay, so, no, my post says more about you.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Gunnar Low Ramp


    There is a difference between making a loss and not maximising return at the expense of a hard pressed tenant.

    Half of every extra euro is likely handed back to revenue.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If you voluntarily keep income static whilst inflation goes up significantly, it means that your money is worth less than it was when inflation was lower as it buys you less.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Gunnar Low Ramp


    If you are making more than you are spending you are still making a profit.

    If someone chooses to make a smaller profit rather than causing misery then I can’t see why you have a problem with that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith


    Strange opening post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,650 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    I’ve the same story. Council paying rent for my current tenant and the previous tenant living back across the road with her mum

    cashing the councils rent cheque. It took them a while to figure out they were paying twice for the same property



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,650 ✭✭✭✭ted1




  • Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭LJ12345


    For a lot of people, having the status quo maintained with good tenants is more valuable than risking bad tenants, unpaid rent, stress, and more months of unpaid rent to refurbish. It’s a risk vs reward calculation and if you’re still treading water with your asset and helping good people to find their feet at the same time, it’s to be commended not shamed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭MakersMark


    I'm not greedy.


    I have several properties and I have empathy for my tenants.

    Calling me a fool for that is highly insulting and I've reported the post.


    I am in a good place financially and don't need to maximise profits at the expense of others.

    Im also much happier with reliable, long term honest tenants too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster




  • Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭jo187




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster




  • Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭jo187


    Hey when you figure out what you want to say, I'll answer it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster




  • Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭jo187


    Well no because this is not audio. The sad part is you think your being funny/clever.



  • Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭jo187


    This is a sensible idea. I'm under the impression the big rental companies are not paying any tax of course that saving is not passed l.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No, it isn’t.

    There is no hope that rental income will have zero taxation, and there would be no guarantee that LLs would pass the reduction on to their tenants.

    There is a vast difference between having no tax on rentals at all, and having no tax liability due to costs. Some posters will be better able to explain why institutional investors do not pay tax directly on rental income, if memory serves me right it has to do with offset costs and tax on dividends.



  • Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭jo187


    Yeah but they can claim tax back on there dividends, so essentially paying no tax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭tscul32


    Problem with eliminating tax and passing on saving is that everyone pays tax dependent on their own personal situation.

    Take 2 identical houses both rented out at €1000. Owner A has no other income so pays minimal tax, say €100 per month. Owner B has a full time job so pays €500. New rents are now €900 and €500?



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Yes, my LL puts it up by the max allowable every year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28 mikecope


    Before rent controls the LL would mainly change the rent if there was a change of tenancy but now increases rent by the full amount every year for all tenants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,604 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    It used to very anti LL. I think the moderation has changed or perhaps the tools are broken since the upgrade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,604 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    A LL with multiple properties has reduced their exposure to losses by spreading such costs across multiple properties.

    If you don't need the money then it's not really a valid comparison. But keeping properties below market rates means they'll never sell for the same price as their peers and indeed it's likely they not sell into the rental market again.

    But for a LL who does need the money, then keeping the rent low increases their exposure to losses and reducing the value of their property as a rental.

    This is why larger landlords are increasing many of which who are large investment companies who's only focus is return for the shareholders. Companies generally don't operate on the principal of we don't need to make extra money.

    Landlords who would have traditionally had lower rents and have one property. Are penalized for it. So they are leaving. Their properties leave the rental market with them. New landlord with new rentals can set any rent they like. This is pushing tents higher across the market.

    "....86 per cent) own only one or two properties. Most of them own one..and half of all landlords earn less than €10,000 on these investments ...If their gross income is enough to see them taxed at the higher rate the net annual income from their investment is €5,150 or less. If they’re lower rate taxpayers then it could be as high as €7,150...."

    So landlords with multiple properties who don't need the money are not representative of the market.

    Just because someone puts up the rent they are not " greedy".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,548 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    The 2% cap is an annual limit,if the rent hasn't been increased in a number of years the 2% is compounded since the last rent review e.g. if the rent hadn' t been increased in five years it could be increased by 10.4% might be a bit more of a shock than 2% every year.

    https://www.rtb.ie/beginning-a-tenancy/setting-rent



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭ballyharpat


    I did not know that I could increase pro-rata, I don't like to increase every year, and I just increased with inflation 18 months ago, but had told them it would be 2 years again before I increase, I will see where we are in 12 months and if the tenants are working and financially ok, then I will apply a rent rise, otherwise, I will wait until they are in a good position, with HAP RAS etc, I increase at every opportunity, as it's my tax paying the rent anyway, is how I look at it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    To be fair, if you were paying average rent 5 years ago it would've been around €1500/1600 in Dublin anyway, now it would be only €1650/1760 which wouldn't be outrageous even if introduced overnight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    Our landlord hasn't increased the rent in 4 years, Dublin City Centre RPZ. Not sure why, we're currently paying about 700-1000 below market. I don't dare ask either.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,008 ✭✭✭DoctorEdgeWild


    Been increased twice during my tenancy, which is nearly 7 years now I think. So an increase every 3.5 years on average. Really good tenant/landlord relationship with them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Yep.

    And they phrase it that it's due to government regulations. Lol.

    Your mortgage is fixed (or should be), why should you make more every year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭ballyharpat


    Labour and materials are increasing every year, insurance is increasing every year, property tax has increased. Inflation is adding to everything, and will add to wages.

    If an employee comes looking for a raise, how should an employee feel if they are told, 'Why should you make more every year?'

    My roof may not need to be replaced this year, but it will, the price will be more than it was 5/10 years ago, I need more money to cover it. If I am only making the same as I was 5/10 years ago, I may not be able to repair it without borrowing. it's a business, the cost of running it needs to be paid for by the income, and I need to get a wage/profit from managing it, it's not going to arrange viewings itself, it's not going to chase down contractors to finish the job etc.


    it's not a 'set it and forget it' business.


    Any business owner wants to improve the business for resale, restaurants etc, may sell their business showing their profits, the more profitable, the more they can sell it for, same with a house.



  • Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭jo187


    Employee's do ask for raises and dont get them. So the comparison where a LL can legally raise the rent every year its not fair as there is nothing stopping a LL from doing it, where as most employee's don't get a raise every year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,604 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    But if you thought you could lose your income for up to 2yrs at a time, and risk damage a bill of thousands, even tens of thousands.

    What would offset that risk to make it viable.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Because it’s an investment, and the primary aim for investors is to make profit.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Employees are rarely constrained from applying for jobs with better terms and conditions. The best way to get a pay rise? Move jobs.



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