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the Turkish Dental craic

  • 23-02-2022 2:31pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,322 ✭✭✭✭


    I feel i have no other option, are there any known reasons why i shouldn't pursue a full set of new teeth abroad?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,410 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I'm sure most people are happy with their new teeth, but there was an article in the Irish media last week about the number of botch jobs abroad that the Irish health service had to fix.

    Wasn't just teeth, it was various cosmetic and other surgeries too.

    I know someone who got 'new' teeth recently abroad, not sure where it was done, and they look a little daft if I'm honest. They don't suit their mouth. They are far too fake looking, ultra white. But whatever they want, it's their mouth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,322 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    i saw that , the surgeries mentioned i felt would of had a high risk of infection anyway especially factoring in flights and travelling. I'm having a turkish consultation on saturday, i'm fairly confident i'll go with it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,410 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Well best of luck with your trip and procedure, I'm sure it'll go well, as it's only a tiny number I'm sure that have complications, and these might well have happened anyway in Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 jennibrenn


    Hi All,

    Similarly enough, I'm actually in the very early stages(prompted by a friend who has booked her consultation & flights!) to travel to Turkey for 2 implants and most probably some other bits and pieces namely fillings...I was rather astounded by the cost of any major dental treatment in Ireland.

    I'm very keen to go but a little apprehensive, mainly around what could go wrong etc.. And the fact that I may need a bone graft etc..I know there's lots of threads on this.. But can anyone specifically recommend a clinic over there or have any particular experiences with same...


    Any feedback , greatly appreciated!!!

    Thanks,

    Jen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,322 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    pm’d



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Considering this thread is less than a month old and you are unlikely to have had your treatment completed, I'd be interested to know what you are recommending, the website?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,676 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    In general, the view is that you are basically cramming months sometimes up to a year of work into a day/couple of days. Having known a couple of people that went that route - both had significant issues within a couple of years.


    There is also the expected upscale of treatment, while you may think you need a couple of crowns. You could come out with multiple crowns (which means filed down teeth).


    Buyer beware



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,825 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Wouldn't implants even with no bone grafting needed require at least 2 visits? And thats assuming all goes 100% with no complications? And what if you have a complication? Not exactly around the corner when you need a fix/touch-up.

    I got a couple of implants set myself last year. It took 4 visits. 1. X-ray, assessing the 'site' as he called it. 2. Setting the implants then wait a couple of months (minimum) 3. Take the moulds for the crowns, wait for them being done 4. Fit the crowns.

    Maybe some of this can be shorted into one but implants have to set and bed-in & heal up before a crown can be fitted at the very least?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,322 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    that's where i was mistaken, i need some implants and they are not what are known as "turkey teeth" they do require a return visit but are still a fraction of irish prices. I would be happy to go but i think i may need extra care for that aspect



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,825 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    I would recommend shopping around also. Even in Ireland prices can vary a lot between dentists for the very same product. I got a couple of implants myself like I said and they were under 2k each. And then you get 20% back from the tax man also.

    It wasnt cheap but it wasn't impossible considering I'm hoping to have them for the rest of my life.



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    Dear God, they sent her away for three days with 28 drilled teeth, exposed dentine/nerves, no temporary crowns on her teeth and in excruciating pain, I’ve seen some awful stuff, but that is up there with the worst. Then they kicked her out of the hotel for complaining. Mad.

    For the most part I believe people get what they deserve when they go for cheap dental tourism, but no one deserves that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15 shil.mar


    Awful. It makes me sad to see how some get treated. But I have to say, there are different choices, there are underground clinics where I doubt they have dentist at all.

    I am working in a dental clinic in Istanbul. I can recommend. When you look for some serious thing like health, more than looking for cheapest alternatives it is always better to make sure about quality and work of dentist. 

    What you can do is pick 2-3 clinics. And in first day start and go for a visit just to know the dentist and see the clinic... You will understand the different. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,528 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    bro in law got a full set of veneers in Turkey back in Feb, hes delighted with them, unbelievable service, picked them up from airport and everything.

    meanwhile, me in Dublin cant even get the dentist to ring me back for weeks about an x-ray i need, low and behold i broke a chunk off a tooth saturday night.

    might end up going over myself if i need a **** load of work.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,676 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    wait a while and watch what happens to his before you make any decisions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,322 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    got two irish implants last week, very sore but at least i have after care , no regrets



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,528 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    will do, but theres a huge amount of people going over the last few years, wifes brother got his done there about 4 years ago, just the tops i think, hasnt had any issues.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,676 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    In the general the issue is not around the quality, but the time taken.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Harsh. If someone has dental problems and cannot get freebies the prices here are prohibitively expensive so you cannot blame people for looking for value. I got an implant 2 years ago and by the end of it the cost was north of €3k. Zero complications.

    I need at least 2 further implants but can't justify that type of cash outlay.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    People rarely need implants though, they choose to get them. Pawwed Rig few people travel for necessary treatments, it is more for cosmetic or implants. So if there are complications, that is when the cost savings become very expensive.

    I certainly don’t blame people for looking for better value, but neither do I have any sympathy for them if it doesn’t work out.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    What is the alternative? Crowns and bridges are astronomically expensive too. Dentures?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The fact that there are alternatives makes implants non essential, all the options you mention are all less expensive, a denture is the fraction of the cost of an implant.

    Again, few people travel for what they need to have done, they travel for what they choose to have done.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Jaysus it is 2022. Dentures are hardly a desirable outcome at this stage.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Exactly. Some people choose implants over dentures. So they travel by choice, not by necessity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 275 ✭✭squigglestrebor


    What an lovely chap you are. People are going over to get there teeth fixed for less than the mental prices here. Cop on to yourself.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Travel due to price is not in dispute, and something I have no issue with. I just don’t have any sympathy when things go wrong, people here know the risks of dental/medical tourism before they go.



  • Registered Users Posts: 275 ✭✭squigglestrebor


    Ive sympathy for them. They are looking to get there teeth fixed. Why the **** wouldnt you have sympathy for someone who paid to have there teeth fixed and then it didnt work out.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Because they knew the risks before travelling. We are not talking about holiday rooms or apartments here, we are talking about complex, irreversible medical and dental procedures.



  • Registered Users Posts: 275 ✭✭squigglestrebor


    Thats an insanely **** take. Oh they knew the risks of going so if it goes wrong i dont have any sympathy. Your example actually just proves my point we are not looking at people buying holiday homes or luxuries , its just people wanting there teeth fixed.



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    Let’s be clear about this. The vast majority of people who travel for dental procedures do not do so out of necessity, they do so by choice, mostly for cosmetic reasons. They are not flying abroad to have their teeth “fixed”, few travel just to have routine cleanings/fillings/maintenance, they are there to improve their appearance or to get an upgrade on other less expensive options. Pawwed Rig will confirm the complexity and number of visits required for implants, and the importance of aftercare if needed, particularly in an emergency.

    If you travel knowing the procedures involved and the risks, then I’m not sure why sympathy is expected.

    I’ll give you a recent example. A patient attended with two loose crowns on implants done in Hungary. The screws are loose, a simple 30min job to tighten them, if you have the correct screwdriver and ratchet to fit the system, AB Implants. Unfortunately that is not a system used here so I checked to see if I could borrow the instruments from the Rep for another system with similar connections. They said they don’t lend instruments, I’d have to buy them, cost nearly €400. When I informed the patient that I wouldn’t use these again so she would have to pay, I got an earful about the cost. So I just said “Fine, off you go back to Hungary for a 30 min job”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,528 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    no, hes dead right, people that go in for a medical operation where theres a % chance you could die(always is, been there), if things go bad and they die, thats their fault, they knew the risks.. no sympathy for them.... /s



  • Registered Users Posts: 275 ✭✭squigglestrebor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,528 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    you dont know what /s means, do you?

    welcome to the internet



  • Registered Users Posts: 275 ✭✭squigglestrebor


    No man, ive been on the internet before though. But dont know what /s means. Id guess it stands for sarcasm?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭kirving


    The key issue with Turkey, is that the only way to actually make extensive treatment cost effective vs. Ireland, is to do it all in a week.

    In my experience, Irish dentists (& orthodontist, endodontist and maxillofacial surgeon) have all been ridiculously methodical and careful in their work - and I still had a few issues. Nothing that wasn't laid out for me in the beginning, but nonetheless happened, and I was very glad I didn't go to Turkey as I would have no recourse.



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  • Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I've had crowns, bridges and implants done...........all here in Ireland and Northern Ireland.

    Its hugely expensive but I wouldn't dream of going to Turkey for jobs as big as implants. Both mine needed bone grafts. One took really well but it takes anything up to a year including the initial bone graft which is a horrible experience (!) then 4-5 months to recovery to allow the bone take and grow, then at least 2 appointments after that. I really don't understand how anyone can get this job done in a week!

    My 2nd implant with bone graft failed, the implant fractured after just 2 months. The dentist said it was a fault with the actual implant itself and I am in the process of getting it replaced and re-done free of charge. My dentist is Hungarian as are most of the dentists in this practice but their follow up and after care is absolutely brilliant. I'd be petrified to travel abroad for this kind of treatment!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Information is widely available on the internet, the portal most widely used to find/book treatment abroad.

    https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/cosmetic-surgery-dental-procedures-turkey-23890633



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,528 ✭✭✭copeyhagen




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    I doubt any deaths are dental tourism related probably medical

    Not a fan of it though I've good time for Irish dentists, well trained and professional IME and I relied heavily on their advice over the years

    I did meet a dentist here who was a knob when I was younger . I had bad teeth but he was the exception



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You doubts would be wrong, there was a widely reported death during dental treatment recently, google is your friend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,322 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I’m not sure the cause has been determined yet, but it was in the dental chair. There are strict guidelines here on what can be performed and by who when it comes to medical and dental procedures, those guidelines may not apply abroad.

    There was a study done a couple of months ago, I was trying to find it yesterday evening, which showed only something like 20% of the clinics on Instagram which advertised for cosmetic medical treatments had the qualifications/professional standards which would be required to do the treatment in the UK/Ireland. There was quite a lot in the media earlier in the year about it, someone might be able to link to it. This also applies to dental treatments where the patients are placed under general anaesthesia for extensive treatments without the necessary back up services.

    There is no way that a dentist here takes on complex restorative dental procedures without proper training and experience, and none would do it during the time period of your average holiday, with no aftercare.

    Edit: Found the study.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/boom-in-pandemic-cosmetic-tourism-backfires-41364335.html

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9 merv76


    Hi,

    I'm in the exact same position - would love to learn more about the process and how to go about it.

    There's a huge amount of information on line and don't really know where to start, I'd like so information from somebody who's actually been there and done it and if there was a link to a reputable clinic I'd be so greatful.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 jennibrenn


    Well I totally parked this idea tbh... And subsequently just only reading/catching up now with everyone's thoughts on it!

    I reached out to the clinic my friend went to, again she just had some crowns,veneers and nothing major.. But they did discourage her from getting an implant and instead she got a bridge, so I'm thinking that's to avoid a second trip etc.

    Anyway, I sent them some photographs and they advised against implants also, and further more seemed like they were going to literally file all my teeth down for veneers.

    I get the sense they will take the easiest, less time consuming route to get the most cosmetically pleasing result imo...

    Be careful!

    I'll be staying local, as I'm too scared of future problems arising.


    Thanks,

    J



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