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Can someone exain why the West advertise the weapons they are sending to Ukraine. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to do that.

Not that it's new, the Americans armed the Taliban to the teeth in the 1980s and that came back to bite them.

I wonder where some of the western weapons being sent to Ukraine will end up in time.

I'm pro Ukrainian and anti Russia in this war, but I sometimes wonder if some western countries are killing the Ukrainians with their "kindness". They are emboldening them to the point where they won't negotiate with the Russians, but not so much that the Ukrainians can actually win...that means war without end IMO.

It seems to me that the West (and I really mean the US with a bit of help from the Brits) are determined to prolong the war so that the Russians are weakened to the point that it will take the best part of a decade for them to recover and therefore threaten anyone else. By which stage Putin should be a distant memory. Of course that's not to say his eventual successor won't be as nationalistic or worse than Putin himself. It's a clever enough approach. It may actually push Russia towards negotiations sooner as they will realise it is their only option to achieve any kind of win.

The reality is Ukraine isn't going to get all its territory back. Its impossible without NATO actually joining the war, in which case Ukrainian territory will be pretty irrelevant anyway as the whole of Europe would go up in a mushroom cloud.

Russia's only interested in the kind of negotiation that sees all of its demands met, and that's as much a negotiation as a mugging is. Ukraine tried to have peace talks with Russia early on in this and Russia were not interested in any kind of serious compromise.

It's not fair to criticise the West for prolonging the war when it's the Russians who started the war. They get out, and it ends tomorrow. It is the Russians who bear the responsibility for creating the conflict and maintaining it with their presence in Ukraine. No-one is forcing a single Ukrainian to pick up a weapon and defend their country against Russian aggression, but defend their country is what they want to do. In pursuit of that aim, they have asked Western countries for weapons and weapons have been provided. It's simple enough, really.

Of course it is the Russians that bear responsibility for the war. I'm not really criticising the West. Their tactic (or at least what I think is their tactic) makes some sense. What I'm saying is that a lot of Ukrainians will die in the interim and actually what I think will happen eventually is that the West will start to step back from its support of Ukraine (due to the cost of living crisis, the US wont be able to give them $40bn every 4 or 5 months) and Ukraine will have to do a deal with the devil anyway.

I watched a documentary a few months back and it was basically saying its like Rome and Carthage in regards the USA and China that there will be a good few conflicts between them both if it does kick off and they said even if China was to loose the 1st war between the 2 within 10 years they will be more advanced military wise as their equipment will be more then replaced by that time and will be tmore advanced then it is now but in regards to the USA they wouldn't be able to replace the same amount within the 10 years this was especially in regards both their navies. So it said China even if it lost within 10 years it would be stronger then it was before the war took place.

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I think the hope in the West (and that includes the US) is that they can provide enough military aid to bring Putin to the bargaining table.

Even looking at the US, who are usually the most hawkish of the Western allies, I don't see anywhere near the level of support that would enable Ukraine to actually defeat Russia. It's not like they don't have the means to help either. They have vast stores of phased out military equipment that is still far better than Ukraine currently possess which will never see the light of day again. Most of the truly game-changing stuff isn't even on the table of being provided for Ukraine.

I am all for Ukraine and don't want to see Russia win anything, but some realism is needed. Ukraine's situation is still very bleak. They face a larger, richer and better armed opponent and are completely dependent on the kindness of outsiders to just slow Russia down.

My take is that they don't want Ukraine to win per se, but to bog the Russians down in a never ending war

The first negotiation was to call the Russian bluff that this war was about NATO expansion.

It's not up to the west to decide what Ukraine should do or what kind of terms they should accept. Russia is occupying large parts of the country, and engaging in a large-scale assault in the east. What would they negotiate about? Russia isn't going to stop their war anytime soon - do you really think any negotiation would make them pull out of Ukraine? And if Ukraine agreed to hand over parts of their country, why would anyone trust Russia to stand down once they have rebuilt their military losses?

There aren't any winners in this war. It's a human tragedy that's happening for no good reason.

Russia forcing pilots to fight.Is there a rebellion coming or are Russians even able to say the word "rebellion".

"In the western military district of Russia, the families of officers were forbidden to leave the country. If the occupiers refuse to perform combat missions, their wives and children are threatened with relocation to the depressed regions of the Far East.The Western Military District Command has already ordered the forcible eviction of several families of servicemen from the 332nd Separate Helicopter Regiment of the 6th Air Force and Air Defense. The wives of the helicopters decided to have a rest abroad while their husbands fired missiles and bombs at the civilian population of Ukraine in the Slobozhansky direction"

https://gur.gov.ua/content/rosiiske-komanduvannia-trymaie-v-zaruchnykakh-sim-i-okupantiv-iaki-voiuiut-v-ukraini.html

The Russian people are slaves.Most don't want freedom as it is too much to do(apathy),they want their own slaves to make themselves feel strong.

The ones that do want freedom are easily squashed by the slaves that are paid more.