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Tesla Supercharger network in Ireland

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭eddhorse


    Well the new stalls like Enfield have the chargers the same direction as the car without the stops, will take time and money to do the same to all locations.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,514 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    But eCars is wholly public money to serve 100% of the public from inception, their criticism is justified. Tesla are now opening up a privately funded non-public centric system without making the necessary physical SuC stall adjustments to make it workable and efficient. There's also the fact the existing SuC network was funded by past and current Tesla owners that is a rabbit hole to discuss.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,395 ✭✭✭KCross


    Isnt the solution relatively simple though... just a longer cable... no?

    Changing the physical layout just isnt going to happen for the existing sites as that would cost a fortune and require digging up tarmac and concrete pedestals etc.... just not going to happen at a worldwide scale. Longer cable seems to be an easy fix to me?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,395 ✭✭✭KCross


    There's also the fact the existing SuC network was funded by past and current Tesla owners that is a rabbit hole to discuss.

    It wasnt though. The crazy stock price, which gave Tesla billions in capital, is what afforded them the rollout of the charging network.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,514 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    and the stock price was fuelled but their ability to deliver and sell cars, it's knife and fork, can't separate the two.

    The stock price could rise to $1m a share and means nothing to Tesla capital, all Tesla get is their share of the proceeds on the share at the price they were issued at, roughly 85%. So if share issued at $100, they get around €85, secondary market rise of share value is not "enjoyed" by Tesla

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,181 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Not sure what makes you say that. The SuC was already substantial years before TSLA value went high. Either way it doesn't matter, it's a private network 100% funded with private money. Didn't cost the tax payer a cent. Unlike the ESB network which was 100% paid by the tax payer

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭woodseb


    not really true that. Tesla also raised capital by placing shares when it's stock price rocketed. It raised a few billion in cash that way. The huge stock price rise allowed it to significantly repair its balance sheet at a time when people were questioning its viability. Reality is its gigantic market cap has given it the ability to invest significantly in new plants and other capital expenditure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭eagerv


    Not sure if longer cables is a good idea. Part of the reliability of the present chargers is not having cables/plugs draped on the ground being driven over. I suppose recoil or over head cables would be possible, but I would also imagine expensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,395 ✭✭✭KCross


    Exactly that.

    The stock price has given it massive ability to expand. The sale of the cars alone would not cover the expansion of its manufacturing sites and the SuC expansion.


    Either way it doesn't matter, it's a private network 100% funded with private money. Didn't cost the tax payer a cent.

    I'm not saying otherwise. Just knocking the idea that people think that they paid $x for the SuC when they bought their Tesla's. They didnt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,395 ✭✭✭KCross


    Probably and a longer cable wouldnt then nicely fit either into the unit like it does today, so its not without its problems but it still seems the most logical way forward for the existing sites. Doing nothing is, as everyone says, a recipe for disaster so they need to do something.

    New sites need a new design and I bet they will do that too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭eagerv


    Some of the sites have a spare parking place at the right side of the charge points. Possibly that could be available to cars with rear right charging ports, without blocking two spots.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,514 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    That's exactly what I said, it's a once off for Tesla, they choose when to place or issue the shares but that's the end of it, they have no involvement in the secondary market. To put it another way, if the current share price of Tesla is $1,000 and goes up to $1,500 then Tesla see none of that. However if they decide to issue more shares at a placing of say, €1,400 then they will get more cash per share, but again, a once off. Eventually companies stop issuing shares due to dilution of existing shareholder control and cheap debt, a fine balance different from industry to industry and company to company

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,514 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Cable damage is a huge problem in faulty chargers, the Tesla one is deliberately short soas to not trail on the ground ever, it's very stiff too, just long enough to reach a Tesla, short also reduces charging losses. Tesla essentially engineered out cable damage but now......

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,976 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Tesla destination chargers usually have 2 connections just for teslas and one for all makes/models. A similar 2:1 ratio for Superchargers seems logical enough and if the demand is there Tesla can surely add more units to their existing sites and really start printing the money



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,514 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I don’t see this as major revenue, Tesla don’t gouge pricing for SuC

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,974 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    It doesn't need to be major revenue it just needs to be a consistent revenue stream to please investors.

    How many charge points do Tesla have worldwide? You're probably looking at 10s if not 100s of millions in income even with low utilisation rates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,110 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Add in the subscriptions for Spotify/maps (probably about 80% or more pay it) and that's a fair chunk of change every month!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,201 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


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    Almost there…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,181 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Amateur outfit. Their founder - a man of vision and action - would turn in his grave.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,514 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Hopefully this experience will not deter Tesla from further expansion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,309 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Note it's still not actually on yet, so don't assume they are working until they are actually working. Hopefully ESB networks have actually completed their portion and only Tesla needs to commission.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,201 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Yeah the site will show up in the cars nav screens a half a day or so after they go live.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 Joxter


    Quick rant about a recent experience at Enfield Supercharger that is relevant to pet lovers.

    While it is good to have these chargers at last, please note the property is not pet friendly, they have a full on “No Dogs” policy because some people don’t pick up after their dogs, unfortunately this means all are discriminated against. You may be asked by gardeners to return to your car if if your 7 month old small cute puppy needs a wee and air. I have asked nicely and there is no enclosed space or any tiny spot at this large “estate”, where pets can be except in your car. I have shared my feedback on this with Tesla who have yet to respond. I have never experienced such nonsense at any other Tesla site in UK or France. Pet lovers choose carefully what properties you want to spend you money at, and let the property and Tesla know if the policy inconveniences you or your pet as they are the only ones who can bring change.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,181 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Cute he is 😀


    I would just ignore them, if your car needs a few electrons and your puppy needs a pee, that's just the way it is.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭jusmeig


    In all things, it's usually a minority that ruins it for everyone. Ironically the type of person who let's their dog take a dump in a car park without cleaning up...is unlikely to be deterred by a sign anyway.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,514 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


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    At a UK SuC, Hog pulling a massive 13kW from SuC

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,974 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    They're not actually blocking any stall though are they because the bike is charging in the centre one and the 500 on the left stall.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,514 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    True and in this case the SuC they are connected to could not be used by anyone anyhow due to the Fiat positioning.

    Point is a ultra slow vehicle (13kWh) taking up a space versus say, a Model 3 LR that could suck 250kW.

    Throwback to the Outlanders PHEV that used to use CHAdeMO fast chargers when they were free a few years back

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,974 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    But they are paying to use the service and are not blocking any extra stalls so I don't see the issue?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,181 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    They're paying 95% less per minute than the Tesla next to it. They're not spending enough / occupying the SuC for too much time. This is bad for Tesla revenue so should be discouraged (penalised)

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