Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Indeed, it's only natural, global interest will wane. The Ukrainians and Zelensky have been painfully aware of this also and making a monumental effort to keep themselves relevant. Sadly it's inevitable. The Russians are also aware of it and will use it to any advantage they can.

The attack to surround Severodonetsk has changed again.Russian forces reached the main road into Severodonetsk but as it's very open country,they were hit with Artillery.There is no where to hide in open country so you must keep moving.

Russian can't move north yet so now they are moving south to the Bakhmut so the attack has been changed again back to a bigger encirclement.Bakhmut is strongly defended.

When you spend so much time spiritually on the front line, it can be hard to separate out what is likely to happen over what people say on a daily basis. Even Zelenskiy has his own PR/propaganda machine. In the main it is one that we agree with and support but it's equally important not to get sucked into that either as it serves his own purpose.

Not sure why you seem to have gone from pro-EU to anti-EU in such a short period unless you were already there anyway. Yes, we do know what the EU is, it's a body of consensus, a body constantly trying to get 27 different voices on the same page but they can rest assured that they will not be invaded to get their agreements.

Tim , you probably not aware of it but your contributions here are classical examples of what Putinists want to put out there for public consumption . You may not deny , for example that UKranians are moving/ have been moved to Russia or to parts of Ukr under Russian control but the words you use to ‘explain ‘ it are all about ‘whataboutary’; ‘obstrucating’; ‘ one the one hand and on the other hand’ ; ‘ give a range of explainations’, etc, etc. The whole objective of this strategy is to sow confusion, create conflict, create division, etc , so that nobody knows where the truth lies and the good old authoritarian regime will provide certainty for you and mind you - as the best and safest option for you

Yes. There is a lot at stake here.

It is interesting for me the countries that are willing to condemn Russia [a subset of which are also trying to ensure Russia doesn't gain from this/get what they want despite the costs/risks] and the powerful countries that are giving rhetorical support to Russia, or are saying and doing nothing & just standing watching with interest, and perhaps looking to profit.

The former is the West who are invested in the current (limited and flawed) amount of global rules, international law etc. that they built where conquests and gencoides of "undesirable" soverign neighbours are supposed to be verboten since end of WW2, and also most of the small to mid sized countries around the world.

The latter is giant non Western "countries" (more like empires in a way) with vast land areas, resources, and populations such as China, India, (maybe Turkey too?) who think they will be holding the whip hand in 21st Century, and might like a law of the jungle world where it's normalised that a big power can just invade and genocide some smaller weaker neighbour that is giving them trouble or has something they want to steal.

intersting that a week after talk of preventing the humiliation of Russia by Macron etc that Russia start making gains.

I wonder does Macron still hold those views? Maybe he feels better now and can relax.

Winter war is something that Germany, and others who depended on Russian gas dreads. Summer they can weather with low demand but German winters are COLD.

They will want a resolution long before that.

Are they all wearing body armour? Unusual body shape

Putin didn't look too shook in those videos with the soldiers. Are the rumours of his demise nonsense, or are these old videos pre recorded and now released? Interesting to see Shoigu there too. Hadn't heard much about him lately either

The OP tried to claim TASS reporting an "evacuation" of ukrainians was proof of ethnic cleansing. It is not. I agree that Russian state media is worthless, however some people seem to believe it is only untrustworthy when it doesnt support their position. A TASS report saying people have been evacuated from conflict zones to Russia is not proof of ethnic cleansing of millions of people. It is not proof *its not* happening, it is not proof it *is* happening. Its confirmation of nothing.

"Hopefully the shooting will dissolve into talking soon."

The "shooting" ?

You mean the illegal invasion, bombing and wholesale killing of Ukranian civilians by the Russian armed forces?

"Support for continuation of conflict is waning. Industrial and business leaders across Europe, particularly in Germany are not happy with the looming situation of this winter."

The Germans have no good reputation with regard to maintaining peace in Europe. And their Prime minister self serving sentiments this time around can fook right off.

"There is so much money at stake across EU, and the vast majority of people (sensibly) care about themselves, their families and businesses, not the conflict. I think we will see more and more pushback to arms supply by the general public of EU member states and a push to a diplomatic solution."

Do you honestly believe a diplomatic solution is possible with a ego driven maniac whose apparent aim is to to wipe at least one entire country off the map and who has already threatened others?

Similar sentiments and prevarication about European self interest resulted in Poland being brutally carved up between the Nazis and Russia and the beginning of WW2

Now putinbots are gonna say that the factory worker decided to quit the factory job and join the army in 2018