BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? threadbans in OP

25-05-2022 05:11PM

I read somewhere on the Guardian today (can't find it now) that it's thought there are now 50 (or maybe 51) of the required 54 "no confidence" letters submitted. He still might be looking somewhat nervously toward the toaster.

25-05-2022 05:17PM

ancapailldorcha

May 25, 2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119113167#Comment_119113167
I'll be fair, Johnson isn't remotely stupid. He's just wholly corrupt, entitled and has never worked a day in his whole life. Even his hero, Churchill saw plenty of action in the Boer war at the end of the nineteenth century.
Johnson desperately wants to be a good time PM like Tony Blair. Unlike Blair, he doesn't want to invest any effort as he feels entitled to the office. Therefore, he outsources himself to corrupt intellectual nobodies while driving any real talent such as Dominic Grieve and Sir Nicholas Soames out of the party.
This has the side effect of ensuring that they can't outshine him and therefore challenge him. I can't see a single talented lot. In the private sector without connections, morons like Patel, Raab, Sunak, Braverman, Truss and Dorries wouldn't last 5 minutes.

I'm going to hand it to you. I think we can all recognize, including me, that you're one of the most consistent posters throughout this thread and you back up your claims in ways that others do not. Consistently wrong, that is.

And the manner in which you "back up" your claims is to always launch personal jibes against Tory MPs, particularly Johnson. You've successfully climbed to the absolute summit of the Ad Hominem mountain, and quite clearly cannot see the wood from the trees.

You need to park your personal attacks against Johnson and Tory MPs and argue the case based on evidence.

25-05-2022 05:20PM

bob mcbob

May 25, 2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119111661#Comment_119111661
Actually 2 transactions - Owen Paterson resigned as an MP after breaking the lobbying rules for Randox.
Also the entire VIP contract route for politically connected suppliers was ruled unlawful.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-ppe-court-vip-suppliers-b1991440.html
Still nothing to see here, move on.

this is what I was alluding to earlier. the ruling on the VIP lane only showed that it was technically illegal. The Judge did state that

Campaigners claimed the VIP lane was reserved for referrals from MPs, ministers and senior officials and gave some companies an unfair advantage.

A judge ruled it was unlawful to give the two companies preferential treatment as part of the VIP lane.

But she said both offers were likely to have been given contracts anyway.

so the process was unlawful, as it did not follow the correct procedure. It there was a good law project type political organisation in any other country in the EU, they would have found the same thing, as no one was following proper process at the time. Pretty understandable, I am sure you agree?

ancapailldorcha · 25-05-2022 05:28PM

[Deleted User]

May 25, 2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119113221#Comment_119113221
I'm going to hand it to you. I think we can all recognize, including me, that you're one of the most consistent posters throughout this thread and you back up your claims in ways that others do not. Consistently wrong, that is.
And the manner in which you "back up" your claims is to always launch personal jibes against Tory MPs, particularly Johnson. You've successfully climbed to the absolute summit of the Ad Hominem mountain, and quite clearly cannot see the wood from the trees.
You need to park your personal attacks against Johnson and Tory MPs and argue the case based on evidence.

Have a read of your post about Keir Starmer as this is a perfect case of the pot calling the kettle black.

25-05-2022 05:31PM

ancapailldorcha

May 25, 2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119113274#Comment_119113274
Have a read of your post about Keir Starmer as this is a perfect case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Prove it.

ancapailldorcha · 25-05-2022 05:32PM

[Deleted User]

May 25, 2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119113330#Comment_119113330
Prove it.

Delighted to once you answer all of my pending requests.

25-05-2022 05:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119113343#Comment_119113343

Nothing then, alright.

ancapailldorcha · 25-05-2022 05:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119113355#Comment_119113355

I mean, it's literally in your post above but if you're going to indulge in the conservative tradition of expecting handouts then this is a bit pointless.

Any proof of your claim above or is that nothing?

political analyst · 25-05-2022 05:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119112600#Comment_119112600

But what happens if a PM who is found to have deliberately misled the House refuses to resign and his party's MPs refuse to vote against him? In that case, the ministerial code become unenforceable.

Calahonda52 · 25-05-2022 05:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119113274#Comment_119113274

What exactly is evidences separate from opinion, in this case?

Its all bo**ox, The Met and SG both have been gaslighted by the Tories.

BJ has escaped.

Leroy42 · 25-05-2022 05:53PM

Eskimo, you have said yourself that Johnson has completely failed to deal with the migrant issue, an issue at the very core of Brexit.

So it isn't some others that see him as a failure, you acknowledge that yourself.

The difference is that you are willing to give him yet more chances, based on nothing but his promises and ignoring his multiple failures.

Penn · 25-05-2022 05:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119113409#Comment_119113409

That's what Johnson is banking on. He has literally been found to have broken the law, and it's pretty clear he deliberately misled Parliament. He is supposed to stand down, as all MPs are expected to if found to have deliberately misled Parliament, however there's nothing to actually enforce it. It's a "This is what you're expected to do" rather than "Do it or you're gone". The only thing that can force Johnson out is a vote of no confidence, either by the House as a whole or by enough of his own party. So it all depends on enough Tories siding against him.

It's insane that there may not be enough to do it. Even if for no other reason than it will really become a factor in the next election.

25-05-2022 05:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119113247#Comment_119113247

I think this is the source https://twitter.com/CatNeilan/status/1529447754036125698 I saw it in the Guardian earlier. The Telegraph was speculating last night that it might be in the high 40's.

Degag · 25-05-2022 06:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119112261#Comment_119112261

But....

Brexit got done but has been an unmitigated disaster for the most part
COVID vaccination success (perhaps, but also took a very disingenuous approach by taking EU vaccines but then not sharing AZ ones) but an overall terrible approach that cost many needless lives
Leadership during Ukraine crisis. I'm really not sure how he has excelled himself here in any way thus far?

25-05-2022 06:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119113409#Comment_119113409

The Standards Committee and Privileges Committee can suspend the PM for 10 days when Parliament’s in session, or 14 days when it’s not and he could then be forced to fight a by-election.

gmisk · 25-05-2022 06:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119113502#Comment_119113502

Is Brexit really done though?...it's a mess...Northern Ireland especially.

Vaccination programme went great guns at the start but other countries caught up. They wasted an insane amount of money, the track and trace for example a disgrace...not to mention the dodgy dealings on contracts.

He was there for a photo op and they gave them a lot of aid and weaponry...he knew how it would play...I wouldn't call that amazing leadership.

Loafing Oaf · 25-05-2022 06:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119113247#Comment_119113247

Yeah but if the number of letters just barely reaches the threshold is it likely he would lose the vote? I don't get the sense of a 'Boris must go' banwagon gathering momentum over the report...

25-05-2022 07:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119113699#Comment_119113699

That's because there is no momentum.

Fewer MPs are upset with Johnson today than they were 5-months ago. Many MPs are coming out saying how appropriate his addressing the issue today was.

Capt'n Midnight · 25-05-2022 07:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119107469#Comment_119107469

It defunds councils who will have to subsidise photo ID for poorer voters, stealth cuts for Labour councils. It's hassle for voters too.

Look at how the recall up North for Ian Paisley did it. People had to travel to 3 major towns to sign rather than locally at up to 10 centres and still 94% of requirement to recall was met.

Tony EH · 25-05-2022 07:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119113184#Comment_119113184

...and disparaged Shane McGowan for his looks.

25-05-2022 08:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119113917#Comment_119113917

False and misleading information.

Even if this grossly contorted view of what I said held, it wouldn't justify personally abusing Tory MPs and Boris Johnson just because they have a different political alignment to others.

gmisk · 25-05-2022 08:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119114081#Comment_119114081

False and misleading information?

Direct quote from one of your posts.

"Shane McGowan is a frightfully unattractive man whose wife may only be with him for the cash."

25-05-2022 08:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119114099#Comment_119114099

First, that wasn't an insult to Shane McGowan; it was intended as a statement of objective reality that McGowan himself would share. If I find someone unattractive, I'm not mocking their physical appearance. My remarks on his wife stand.

But even if that were true or false, it doesn't justify the insane personal abuse and physical mockery of Conservative MPs and Boris Johnson.

Tony EH · 25-05-2022 08:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119114081#Comment_119114081

You're a hypocrite.

gmisk · 25-05-2022 08:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119114116#Comment_119114116

With the mental gymnastics of this complete and utter nonsense I can see why your a fan of Johnson.

ancapailldorcha · 25-05-2022 09:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119114099#Comment_119114099

Yep. Expect to be told that direct quotes are either out of context, gaslighting or lies. Standard protocol from the man who compared a black philanthropist to Britain's most notorious paedophile.

25-05-2022 09:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119114358#Comment_119114358

You know you have lost the argument re: Boris Johnson - you know, the actual subject matter of this thread - when all you're left doing is scavenging desperately for comments made by other users a year ago, then distorting and contorting those comments out of all recognition and context.

But that's what the silent audience reading this thread see, and it's what the hard left always do.

25-05-2022 09:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119113902#Comment_119113902

**** hell. The whole of Europe, if not the world, must be an undemocratic mess. all these people unable to gate because they have to produce photo ID

you do know (of course you do) that this recommendation actually came from the electoral commission, the cross party group that monitors elections?

ancapailldorcha · 25-05-2022 09:46PM

Most people think he should go:

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1529453755447627777?t=6JBT5E6ws3CFoY-on7qFkw&s=19

Most people didn't want this cretin to begin with but in the UK doesn't matter what most people want here, sadly.

25-05-2022 09:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119114477#Comment_119114477

Approx. 40%+ voted for Johnson in the GE, and 40%+ want Johnson to stay.

Johnson is here to stay.

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