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BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    The english press would probably make a song and dance about the fact that Brendan Drumm and his son own a number of primary care centres which is totally fine and normal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭bob mcbob



    Actually after the Guardian brought up details about Michelle One, this was picked up by the police.

    Her homes and business premises were raided by the NCA (police agency for serious organised crime) a couple of weeks ago.

    Here are the details

    and from the Mail for (Monopoli) as the guardian is obviously biased




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They would have been all over Alan Kelly getting the HSE to place orders worth over €100m for PPE and ventilators with EKO Integrated Services as well.

    Mind you, of the 2200 ventilators that were paid for upfront, EKO may have supplied some of the 460 that did actually come in.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Obviously one investigation means that all the transactions were dodgy. it stands to reason doesn't it🙄

    still, the traitor deserves everything she gets doesn't she?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Laughable stuff here re BoJo’s crocodile tears and his “explanation” into party gate at the House of Commons right now.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    In January, I said that Boris Johnson would survive "partygate". I was told how wrong I was, and that Johnson would be gone "within a month".

    Now with the publication of the Sue Grey Report, I'm going to say the same thing: Boris Johnson ain't going anywhere.

    That animated plank who governs the so-called Opposition will try to make a kerfuffle about it over the next few weeks, then a more pressing issue will take over.

    That's not to say that the Sue Grey Report isn't damaging, because it is, but Boris Johnson toasting a fellow colleague and his team - who he'd been working with all day in the same workplace, is not a resignation matter.

    Johnson will survive this into the next election, albeit with a slightly more tattered reputation than if it didn't happen.

    And by the time the next election comes around, this whole partygate nonsense will be largely forgotten and Johnson will be judged on the bigger matters of his term:

    • leadership during the Ukraine Crisis
    • getting Brexit done
    • COVID vaccination success compared to the EU etc.

    And on these much, much bigger matters, Johnson will have the reputational edge over Keir Starmer and secure his second term.

    I know that Johnson is hated on this thread, but that irrational hatred has clearly clouded judgment.

    The above, what I have spelled out, is far more likely to happen. I certainly hope it comes to pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭political analyst


    If it is found that Johnson deliberately misled the House of Commons, he could stay on for the next general election if most of the Tory MPs still don't vote against him. After all, a breach of the ministerial code is not a crime. Misleading is pretty much the done thing in politics anyway - just ask Pat Rabbitte!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The key distinction lies with the word "deliberately".

    And from this report, there is nothing to conclude that what he said was "deliberately" done to mislead parliament.

    If it were obvious, the Tory's would already be sharpening their knives. But they're not, they're instead staying silent and waiting for the kerfuffle to subside.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,689 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Johnson will remain until his party lose faith in his ability to win the next election. They're already heading there given the vitriol they've been spewing at Keir Starmer. They've no principles whatsoever, only venality and bigotry so they can't handle seeing a principled leader of the opposition.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭political analyst


    My point is that deliberately misleading the House of Commons has been implicitly portrayed as a crime even though it isn't a crime. Politicians mislead people all the time, don't they?!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,689 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Accusing a member of the House of lying is an offence in the House. Lying to the House is not. The UK in a nutshell right there.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭political analyst




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Not sure that anyone is saying it is a crime, but under the rules of the house it is a resigning matter. It is very different from spinning on the campaign trail or at a press conference and deliberately misleading the house. Ministers are supposed to state the facts in the HoC, to allow the HoC to make proper decisions.

    The Tories have already shown that they are not interested in whether the PM lied or not. It is solely about the election. The problem they have is who is going to replace him? n Sure Starmer may not set the world alight, but Truss? JRM? The Tories really have nobody else close to hand and so are sort of stuck with Johnson.

    They will get through this. I think a lot of people, myself included, underestimated the sheer cynicism of the Tory party and their ability to completely dump any standards. The problem will be how much it continues to resonate with the public. Brexit is now no longer the winner it was in 2019, even Johnson admits he made a complete mess of things and is now 'forced' to break international law to try to save the country for the worst of it.

    Ukraine is a boon, but will people really care that Boris is liked in the Ukraine when they are not able to buy food, or heat their homes? As for vaccination, well the problem with that is that immediately reminds people of Covid, lockdown and Boris partygate. They will want to steer well away from that.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,689 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I went on to correct that post once the hysteria of the issue had subsided.

    If anything is going to bring down Johnson, it's far more likely to be his tepid attempt to stop illegal economic migrant crossings across the channel. Upwards of 100,000 migrants are set to cross this year unless this wave is stopped. Johnson will lose badly with the Red Wall voters who opted to Brexit to control her own borders. Johnson is currently failing on this big issue, and this is far more important to voters than him toasting a colleague a few years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,768 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    So basically you were wrong becasue you were in hysterics, then you come into the thread six months later up on a high horse accusing others of being wrong for the very thing that you were wrong about.

    Your credibility is shot now after that post from up on your high horse accusing others of being wrong while trying to paint yourself as being right, @Ahwell caught you rotten there and your only response is to say quick, look at those immigrants!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's just pure gaslighting.

    Almost this entire thread believed that Johnson would be gone in January-February. You were all wrong. True, at one point I thought that Johnson was on the slide, but I then corrected myself whilst the rest of the thread stuck firmly to the wrong belief. I corrected myself, you all stayed wrong. I'm actually glad that @Ahwell resurrected that post because it confirms to all and sundry that there's only one person on this thread willing to change their mind when the facts change, and that's me. @Ahwell has done me a massive favour in that regard.

    And I'm saying you'll be wrong about Johnson this time, too.

    In fact, the Scottish Conservative leader just came out and said that Johnson should NOT resign; the same leader who said that Johnson should resign 5-months ago.

    So yes, it's quite clearly turning out that Johnson will stay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,108 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Have to agree, was rather flat and very little new info.

    This chap on now defending Boris, jesus, some hair do 😁

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    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's Tory MP, Michael Fabricant; one of the few bisexual MPs in parliament.



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    I have no intention of engaging in your migrant nonsense, as Muahahaha has correctly deduced - it's just a very lame attempt of you trying to deflect attention away from you making a fool of yourself...again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,108 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Fine, if you don't want to engage with one of the biggest political issues impacting Boris Johnson's performance as PM, that's your right.

    But this thread, entitled "Is the UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson toast?", was started on 08 December 2021, at 8:48pm.

    That's 6-months of people saying he's toast.

    That's some pretty badly burnt toast right there, because as much as you all keep repeating (and hoping!) that Johnson resigns, there is not a whiff of evidence to back that up.

    Just wishful thinking from those bent from the hard left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭bob mcbob


    Actually 2 transactions - Owen Paterson resigned as an MP after breaking the lobbying rules for Randox.

    Also the entire VIP contract route for politically connected suppliers was ruled unlawful.


    Still nothing to see here, move on.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,689 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I honestly thought he was a Harry Enfield character for a few weeks.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,108 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No need to insult the looks of Tory MPs. Sure, you don't like the Tory Party and describe them as "venal".

    But attacking the looks of Tory MPs is not necessary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Eskimo, you seem to think that failure to deal with migrants, and failure to adhere to covid guidelines are completely separate, when in fact they, along with the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan and the massive covid death rate, both are symptoms of the inability of Johnson to do his job.

    He isn't a details man. He doesn't care, has no central plan or ideology. Simply being PM is what interests him.

    His lack of action over migrants is the same as his lack of action over everything. He always opts to avoid making a decision. Everything is put off until such time as it becomes impossible to avoid.

    Brexit is the clearest example. Promises, lack of detail, lack of planning, lack of understanding.

    It is who he is.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,689 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Says the man who compared Marcus Rashford to Jimmy Saville because he engaged in charitable activity.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,689 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'll be fair, Johnson isn't remotely stupid. He's just wholly corrupt, entitled and has never worked a day in his whole life. Even his hero, Churchill saw plenty of action in the Boer war at the end of the nineteenth century.

    Johnson desperately wants to be a good time PM like Tony Blair. Unlike Blair, he doesn't want to invest any effort as he feels entitled to the office. Therefore, he outsources himself to corrupt intellectual nobodies while driving any real talent such as Dominic Grieve and Sir Nicholas Soames out of the party.

    This has the side effect of ensuring that they can't outshine him and therefore challenge him. I can't see a single talented lot. In the private sector without connections, morons like Patel, Raab, Sunak, Braverman, Truss and Dorries wouldn't last 5 minutes.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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