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Texas School shooting 19 children and 2 adults murdered

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,416 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Teachers in the US should be armed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Just saw this update:

    RIP, an absolute tragedy, that only happens on a regular basis in the US.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Right to bear arms trumps right to kids living.

    Horrific yet not surprising



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    14 students and a teacher killed (various outlets reporting). Horrific.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    As a teacher of kids similar ages thats absolutely horrendous. RiP little angels and their teacher who I'm sure did all they could to save them.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭ericfartman


    Those type of weapons should not be allowed. One shot and reload should be the standard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    America is beyond lost .......



    Already all over Social media shall not be infringed is being posted ,in reference to the second amendment ,not a word about the children who were just slaughter , columbine this Will never happen again , Sandy hook this is a watershed moment now it's going to change ,Robb elementary today ....


    Nothing will change



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    not a word the the children who were just slaughter

    You couldn't have timed it better with the reply above yours.

    I'll pass on your invitation to haunt the Irish domestic politics threads. This is a current affair.



  • Registered Users Posts: 305 ✭✭cagefactor


    Nothing will change, doesn't matter if 500 kids, or 1000 kids. The place is a lost cause.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Too much money in guns for them to even be restricted never mind banned. If Sandyhook didn't do it it'll never happen.

    Is the culprit just another lone wolf having a bad day or from a minority?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Remember more guns and less control will prevent mass shootings especially in schools .

    Amazingly enough they are quick to ban school books to protect children



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,154 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Apparently Texas has more guns per capita than every other state in the US.

    *correction - most actual guns, not guns per capita.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Absolutely I've family in San Antonio ,they have something like 10 firearms for every man , woman and child Texans tend to a different breed altogether



  • Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And if he'd been shot before opening fire there'd be another thread of indignation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,416 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    You would be inclined to get a gun if you lived there to protect you from loons, it's a vicious circle.



  • Registered Users Posts: 305 ✭✭cagefactor


    The press conference from Abbot, it's like he couldnt' give a toss, this is interrupting his day to get the list of abortion clinics that he need to be shutdown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    More guns? I doubt that's the solution. Just get rid of them altogether. Port Arthur in Australia had a mass shooting in 96 and the government moved quickly to outlaw most types of guns and had an amnesty. Murder/suicide rates fell off a cliff overnight. There are too many unstable people in the world to give almost free access to all sorts of dangerous weapons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,322 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    I know of a friends brother and his family (2 kids) who are moving from Dubai to Texas in the next month (brothers job) and it just makes me think of how regular these incidents are in the states (I know it’s not just Texas, but still) and how they would be so much better off in Dubai. Just horrific news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Try to repeal the second amendment in the US and it's likely they would end up in civil war pretty much overnight ,gun owners would rampage and fight to the death rather than give up their guns



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Ah yes, the obvious answer to guns in schools is to have more guns in schools.

    Christ it baffles me how people really don't get it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,416 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Well it's not going to be an overnight solution to disarm circa a few hundred million weapons from people, especially those not wanting to give them up, an interim solution would be to arm teachers.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    It's a discussion forum. For people to discuss.

    You don't like the topic? Don't post in it. It's very simple.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,016 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Hmm Dubai- live under Sharia law and face flogging and stoning for consuming alcohol or having premarital sex… Texas- risk my six year old being gunned down when learning his ABCs.

    That’s a toughie… think I’ll try… literally anywhere else in the developed world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,652 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    Arm teachers?

    Wouldn't like the odds on one teacher locking the door and shooting the whole room full of kids.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    You're right but it wasn't all that long ago the thought of abortion or gay marriage in this country was seen as an abomination yet we changed our constitution by public vote. Less then a third of Americans own a gun. Maybe they need a civil war to sort themselves out and reset. The casualties caused will be less than the numerous shooting that will be coming down the track over the next few years/decades.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Eh, it's a current event and is big news even in Ireland. The fact that your first impulse is to complain about the op rather than discuss the topic is possibly more a sign of how endemic school shootings are in the US. Every one of them deserves attention imho cause it wouldn't be acceptable in the average developed country.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    And then you have hundreds of teenagers and teachers who grow up in a country where gun culture is rife having access to a shitload of guns in every school, some of which include military-style weapons.

    That sounds like a smashing idea.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    America is a failed state.

    Should be broken up into smaller countries.

    With the rate of school shootings, you'd have to think investing in security systems with swipe access and metal scanning systems on entry are something that should be looked at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭HerrKapitan


    Hispanic / Islamic Replacement Theory?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,699 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    America is some kip. RIP to the youngsters and techer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I beginning to think it's the only way this stops ,



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭One Who Waits...


    Jim touched on that. Every time one of these shootings happens I think of this vid.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,404 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Seems logical that kids and staff should have electronic passes to get inside a school, a fcking nobody should never be able to walk in off the street, apartments have it, why not schools



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Suspect is hispanic populace of the town is majority hispanic, I don't know the identity of the victims. It didn't seem relevant to the ongoing discussion about GRT (Great Replacement Theory), and there was no stated terrorist or political motive. Just that he was suspected of murder and on the run already when this mass shooting took place.

    Counterfactual; he was already on the run for murder. I suppose one way or the other you might have indignation that a criminal was killed while shooting at or killing police, you might have also had indignation if the criminal suspect was unarmed but killed by arresting officers from 'fear for their lives etc.' imho that would not have been the most appropriate carriage of justice for the underlying murder charge, ... "the witness has rights" I think is what Tom Cruise said to the judge right after he proved to everyone in the courtmartial that Jack Nicholson's character was a disgrace to the law and to his uniform and had ultimately caused the murder of a young marine.



  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You can drink in Dubai and pretty sure you can live together. Texas like a lot of the South have dry counties were alcohol is illegal, but you can have your assault rifle to kill your kids classmates.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Armed security and metal detectors haven't stopped it ,only a case recently a child brought a parents gun into school in a back pack ,

    Guns need to be dealth with



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭CPTM


    I've a strange phobia of guns. Just holding one or being in the presence of one would make me incredibly uncomfortable even in a very controlled scenario. It's strange because it's not like Ireland pumps out anti gun rhetoric every day to children, so I don't know where I got it from.

    Going to a gun range would not be enjoyable for me for example. So I'm not sure what I'd do if I lived there. Move probably!



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You'd wonder what can be done...jesus someone,shooting a heap of kids,and lads getting political pops in,over the abortion debacle there



    It would rot your soul,to think of it ever happening here,but the utter entrenchment of politians to place/protect their side above,working hand over fist to curtail it is demoralising in its short sightness


    Id love to see an age breakdown of these school shooter,it always seems to be kids not out of teenage years,and even a simple compromise of no private guns until 21,could save so many kids lives



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Awful news but not in the least bit surprised unfortunately. It’s America and if nothing was done on the federal side after sandy hook then nothing will be done. Hungerford, port Arthur, and dunblane were all mass shootings like this tragedy today in Texas, but there’s one difference, and that was that action was taken to prevent them happening again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Maybe they need a civil war to sort themselves out and reset.

    With all due respect it seems pretty distasteful to egg on this notion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This is the norm, but not the rule, and depending on how relaxed a school has been, maybe they haven't adhered to such a rule, but you'd think with as many shootings in the US as there are, that would be the case. We don't know what the security situation was at the school as of yet (that I know of) and we don't know how he gained access.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,584 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    America is a dump.



  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Been a good few cases where the parents firearms were used, so while linking the ownership age to their drinking age wouldn't work, same as the drinking age doesn't.

    Having requirements for the firearms to be kept in a locked gun safe might, and sure some areas in the states require it, but I know a few people who ignore that even here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Well, the more the merrier. There is a small chance this might get interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,595 ✭✭✭Damien360


    This should be looked at in the same light as 1996 Dunblane in Scotland. A tragedy for all the families except the shooter. Ignore all the gun rights nonsense as it’s too ingrained in US culture to change. It’s a pity this whole event will be forgotten quicker than Dunblane and the debate will rage for all but one week until a celebrity speaks some irrelevant nonsense to make the news and the world will move on.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    One of the things that I laugh at is when you hear Americans say they have guns (yes, plural) for protection but they're locked away in a safe.

    "I'm going to get this weapon to protect myself but it's going to take me an absolute age to get access to it for when I need to protect myself."

    Anyone who says they lock their guns away but they need them for protection are liars of the highest order.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Horrific tragedy.


    Let's politicise it.


    Seriously though, absolutely unbelievable trauma. May the **** who did this rot in hell



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,584 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Why do Americans say shooter instead of gunman?

    They don't even like mentioning gun it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Understandable, first experience firing a gun was at the range and you get a very kinetic sense of how deadly the bullet is when firing, from Newton's laws. That small 9mm bullet is launched with basically the same net force that is sent back into your hand. It's immense awe and undeniable fear, even for gun enthusiasts imho, of the kind of raw dispatching force you wield in your hand. Not unlike the nerves you get around heavy machinery, but with much higher stakes and room for error.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,266 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl



    A country that allows you to fight overseas and die before they let you legally buy a beer because it has a minor impact on drink driving deaths (as opposed to actually just policing drink driving). They are puritan about everything but guns. Inexplicable



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