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BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Boris had one job to do, and that was lean into the anti-woke culture war. This, I believe, is why many voted for him.

    This is why liberal left elitist Londoners are voting for champagne socialists and working class are voting for the Tories. Everyone outside of London was sick to the back teeth of the war on culture, the war on basic scientific truths (men are men, women are women) and all the rest of it.

    They viewed Boris as a 'tell it how it is' kind of guy. Sadly he got sick with Covid which seemed to really take it out of him. He lost his mojo for a long time and completely missed the BLM riots in England and statues being torn down.

    He's tried to claw it back a bit, but the 'scandals' and general flip flopping hasn't helped. Shame really, he could have been a decent PM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,699 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    I hate to tell you this. The word 'woke' was created by leftists like you. It's literally the word you gave yourselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,699 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Read the quote again, then look up pejorative in your dictionary. Then, get an adult to explain it to you, maybe Mum when you leave the basement tonight?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,699 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Sad he really doesn't understand pejorative. Godwin pegged him alright



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,078 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Does Godwin have any stats on people who use the term 'buttthurt' outside of the US?

    Also, it's just been revealed that you, personally it seems, came up with the term 'woke'. Fair play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    I think you've got yourself into a little bind here. Anti-woke is not a pejorative. Woke is the name you gave yourself. I've already explained this to you. Saying you're 'anti' something is not a pejorative. I'm anti-hunting. That's not a pejorative on hunters. Maybe it's my fault. I speak the queen's English and I know you guys have a different take.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,078 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Who calls themselves woke?

    Anyone here describe themselves as woke?

    Also, what's any of this got to do with the thread? Aren't there loads of culture wars threads?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭Cody montana




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Leftists created that word unironically back in 2015 or some time around then. I think it might have been the women's march loons or something. There was all sorts of merch made "I'm woke" etc.

    Now that people make fun of the pink haired lot about being 'woke', they're now claiming it's a pejorative.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭shillyshilly


    Boris is made of super teflon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,081 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    So apart from events and how he handled them. Apart from that Johnson could have been a good PM?

    The reality is he has been a terrible PM. Signed a deal that he himself accepts is terrible, agreed to split the UK trading block, which he said no PM could do, lied to the Queen, broke the lW,nord to parliament, one of the highest covid death rates in the world, billions wasted on track n trace, massive unchecked contracts given to Tory donors, 500 seat losses in local elections, massive inflation, rising interest rates, massive cost of living crisis.

    But yeah, apart from that he has been great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet



    I always liked Sajid Javid, but I don't think he's PM material. Doesn't have the stature/presence and seems a bit of a deer in the headlights at times.

    I'd go Rees-Mogg. Quintessential British eccentric. He wouldn't be a sleaze merchant. I think he'd be low-key which is good. I don't want a PM or government in my face. Just do your job quietly in the background. Very intelligent, witty and I think he has the presence of a PM.

    Plus he'd trigger the left. He bothers them for some reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,014 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Americans on the left created that term and Americans on the right turned it into an insult. Sadly too many people are obsessed with American politics around here.

    It's a horse sht term that should never be used in Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,834 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,078 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    As soon as he's gone, the Tories will distance themselves from him and everything stood for in a way we haven't seen with the likes of Cameron and May. We'll hear a lot about 'getting back to basics', 'values' and 'common sense conservativism' things which Johnson is not but he is a good salesman. If he wasn't born wealthy he would have made a good second hand car salesman.

    James O'Brien talks about 'contempt for the conmen, compassion for the conned' regarding Brexit. As much as I don't like the DUP, I think it's apt for them. They voted against May's Brexit deal which didn't have a sea border, and helped topple her even though she actually believed in the UK. And they believed Johnson when he promised he'd be their bessie mate and he agreed a Brexit deal which had a sea border and cut them off from Britain.

    May was on their side but was a poor salesman. Johnson was not on their side but is an excellent salesman. When he's gone the Tories will have to have a bit of a reckoning and acknowledge that he was a dreadful leader.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,950 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    In theory, yes. Less likely to happen with so much fewer MPs and usually much more competition

    A significant number of council seats, mostly in Wales, had one candidate and no vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,078 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    And here you are going on and on about it. Plus butthurt. Are you American?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,169 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson



    Queen of a non English speaking country I take it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,770 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    First photos from Boris' not a party has leaked, 18th Nov 2020 when they had just gone into the strictest lockdown

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Janey, someone has been quite patient holding onto them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,972 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Been holding on to them for juuuuust the right amount of time to inflict more damage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Oh of course. But the patience is seriously commendable.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Could also be an old dead cat given the horrific news of the date raper that came out yday.

    No one cares about partygate anymore etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,078 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah I think this is what they're banking on.

    I said at the start that I thought it was like a leaky bucket. If the whole story came out at once, it would have overflowed and he'd be gone. But dripping the story a bit at a time has let the anger leak away.

    I think it's more about the cost of living now. Covid isn't an issue at the moment and it hasn't been as issue for months. Maybe something will emerge in the report that hasn't been expected, but I doubt it. I thought he'd weather it, then I thought it might be to much for him to survive, but I'm back to thinking it'll be fine. He'll get through it with brute ignorance and 'what about beergate' for a coupe of days. Half apologise in the HOC and then go on the offensive about the cost of living.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭Shelga


    It’s just so embarrassing that he’s Prime Minister of the UK. The extent to which the electorate over there are willing to deny reality is incredible. I know for sure we have our own litany of very bad problems, but I honestly do not think Micheal Martin could behave the way Johnson has done and still be in post. They’re being taken for absolute fools by the cabinet and the media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,699 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    But, short of blowing up Westminster, what can be done? It's a 2 party FPTP system with a fake news media that support the Tories and we are where we are.


    It's not like the UK government hasn't been spoofers for a very long time; sex scandals are old hat. It's that this latest round of spoofers has been taken over by the likes of the VC'ers and big Corporations who actually aren't stupid and are getting what they want.


    In terms of spoofery, I read the other day in the Times that Lord Ledbedev's father has been sanctioned by Canada for his doings with Russia. But, sure, his son's o.k., he's a Lord, doncha' know.

    And the PM's father just proudly crowed about getting his French citizenship finally. Well done, Stanley.



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  • Posts: 710 [Deleted User]


    the big difference, is that we would have no way of knowing if Michael Martin behaved like this or not.

    The Irish media would not dream of exposing leading members of FF or FG and certainly wouldn't seek to make a big political drama out of it. The drinks at the Dept of Foreign Affairs is the perfect example.

    Similarly no Irish newspaper or media outlet is investigating any of the contracts that were awarded during Covid and there is no attempt at delving in to how a company owned by the ex CEO of the HSE was paid over €8m by the HSE during the pandemic for various services. In the UK, the "Good Law Project" would be taking the government to court over the award of this contract (admittedly for purely political reasons), there is no similar such person in Ireland.



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