It's all falling apart alarmingly fast for Boris Johnson across the water. How long you reckon he has left as British Prime Minister? Hours surely?
How many parties are they talking about now? I've lost count.
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this is not about public order offenses and the law the far right government are implementing doesn't include public order offenses, but instead want to class things that aren't public order offenses as public order offenses so as to outlaw protesting.
no the same far right government want to bring in restrictive voter ID so as to gerrymander and prevent undesirable types (as in those they believe won't vote for them anyway) from voting.
voter fraud is very easy to prosecute and the government know how much voter fraud is going on, the police prosecuted voter fraud the odd time it happened in the past and the reason convictions are low is because such activity is very low.
however given the far right government have eradicated the police more or less there may be the odd individual voter fraudster getting through which is unfortunate but ultimately the fault of the far right government of the UK.
How so?
So it is already against the law to commit public order offences and that is fine, but if someone commits a public order offences while on a protest should be exempt?
This is getting into conspiracy theory stuff now.
you mean the hard right government that want to bring in similar ID requirements for voting as currently exist in Ireland? The same ones that no one really knows if it is an issue or not, because it is so hard to actually prosecute that the Police don't even bother, hence the very low number of convictions?
like I said, conspiracy theory stuff, built on a left wing false narrative.
the law already takes care of that specific issue so it's irrelevant.
this new law is about stopping any sort of protesting so as to stop the current far right government from being held to account so that when the real effects of brexit hit people will have no recourse to voice their opposition.
it's the same reason why the same far right government want to bring in voter ID, claiming mass voter fraud when in fact voter fraud (while wrong and a problem) is ultimately very small and could be dealt with under the existing mechanisms which were working up until 2010 when the tory idiots wrecked the place.
so what you are saying is that if, for example, three people were protesting outside an abortion clinic and their actions caused people to fear for the safety, there would be nothing wrong with that and they should be allowed to continue as long as they liked?
The law is not there to prevent protests, just to give the Police more powers for those that use protests as an excuse to cause havoc for others. The right to peaceful protest is very much part of the UK's Human Rights legislation and the right to peaceful assembly is a commitment all members of the council of Europe have made.
no it's a fact reality.
the law is written in such a way that essentially 1 can get 10 years for protesting, but it looks to people like yourself that this isn't the case when in reality it is because it's so perscriptive and wide reaching and open to interpretation.
it's a law designed to clamp down on protesting and ultimately ban it without openly banning it.
the fact is that it is not now, nor will it be in the future, illegal to demonstrate in the UK.
that is the fact.
Oddly though, it is against the law to break the law while on a protest.
but apparently protestors should be immune from the law for some reason.
Saying that people in the UK are not allowed to protest is ridiculous.
where have you saw it before? in your posts as that is exactly what you are doing while accusing others of doing it dispite the reality that they are in fact stating the facts.
but yeah, so much winning, of course.
You claimed you can get ten years for protesting, that is fake news. It's like saying you can get ten years in prison for driving your car.
If you protest and break the law, some of the offences have a maximum ten ear sentence, just like if you drive your car and break the law, some of those offences can carry up to ten years (or more if you actually kill someone).
It's just a fake narrative that the left creates on social media.
What is fake news? I said you could get 10 years, you accept that that is indeed true and in the legislation. There is no fake news. The issue with the legislation is that is is so wide, creating too much noise for example, without any context, means that people are fully open to ben given 10 years if the courts so decide.
The left? Who the hell is the left? The guardian apparently. But since you didn't read or know the legislation, otherwise you wouldn't have called 10 years as fake news, then the only one argue without facts or knowledge, and trying to distort reality is you.
You can't come on and portray all the 'left' as fake news, and then complain when your own failures are highlighted to show you have no idea what you are taking about.
pedal fake news, get called out on it and then start the ad hominem
where have I seen that before?
How is NHS_Susan doing?
I can see the bit where you can get up to a maximum of ten years for commiting the offence of public nuisance (the actual sentence, will obviously be determined by the courts, after the Police and the CPS have decided there is a case for prosecution) but I can't see where you can get ten years for protesting.
Like I said, this is a perfect example of fake news and the the ascertation that you are no longer allowed to protest is, in fact, rediculous.
the left are the ones pedaling fake news at a quite alarming rate and anyone who points this out, is generally rounded on and closed down.
It is such a shame that some people are willing to tie themselves in knots, and ignore actual facts, just to run a narrative to suit their own agenda.
Here you go.
Your point was that it was a fake news, clearly it isn't.
Nothing, really. The executive has been hoarding power in a very centralised country. We're not even allowed to protest.
that's a ridiculous statement to make. was your reply. Turns out it was perfectly correct.
What what is your position on the UK government making protests illegal in a democracy?
It's such a shame that Politics is no longer a discussion about the actual politics, it is a discussion about a narative, one that is created purely for social media.
show me where it says you can get ten years in prison for protesting?
So what do you think is contained in the bill?
Here are some details from the BBC
Amnesty don't seem overly happy with it
Even the HoL seems to not to overly impressed.
great timing, I was looking for an example of fake news and you served it up perfectly.
spoofers is a very interesting statement. what exactly are they "Spoofing" about?
Can you give examples of this fake news media that supports the Tories? if any at all, the fake news comes out of the Guardian, which certainly does not support the Conservatives and is peddled mercilessly across the various forums here. If you want a perfect example, take a look at Leroy's post above.
Why? You are aware of the policing bill aren't you. Protests can carry a 10 year jail sentence and/or unlimited fine. Protest is effectively only allowed based on the wishes of the government
that's a ridiculous statement to make.
the big difference, is that we would have no way of knowing if Michael Martin behaved like this or not.
The Irish media would not dream of exposing leading members of FF or FG and certainly wouldn't seek to make a big political drama out of it. The drinks at the Dept of Foreign Affairs is the perfect example.
Similarly no Irish newspaper or media outlet is investigating any of the contracts that were awarded during Covid and there is no attempt at delving in to how a company owned by the ex CEO of the HSE was paid over €8m by the HSE during the pandemic for various services. In the UK, the "Good Law Project" would be taking the government to court over the award of this contract (admittedly for purely political reasons), there is no similar such person in Ireland.
But, short of blowing up Westminster, what can be done? It's a 2 party FPTP system with a fake news media that support the Tories and we are where we are.
It's not like the UK government hasn't been spoofers for a very long time; sex scandals are old hat. It's that this latest round of spoofers has been taken over by the likes of the VC'ers and big Corporations who actually aren't stupid and are getting what they want.
In terms of spoofery, I read the other day in the Times that Lord Ledbedev's father has been sanctioned by Canada for his doings with Russia. But, sure, his son's o.k., he's a Lord, doncha' know.
And the PM's father just proudly crowed about getting his French citizenship finally. Well done, Stanley.
It’s just so embarrassing that he’s Prime Minister of the UK. The extent to which the electorate over there are willing to deny reality is incredible. I know for sure we have our own litany of very bad problems, but I honestly do not think Micheal Martin could behave the way Johnson has done and still be in post. They’re being taken for absolute fools by the cabinet and the media.
cool story bro
Yeah I think this is what they're banking on.
I said at the start that I thought it was like a leaky bucket. If the whole story came out at once, it would have overflowed and he'd be gone. But dripping the story a bit at a time has let the anger leak away.
I think it's more about the cost of living now. Covid isn't an issue at the moment and it hasn't been as issue for months. Maybe something will emerge in the report that hasn't been expected, but I doubt it. I thought he'd weather it, then I thought it might be to much for him to survive, but I'm back to thinking it'll be fine. He'll get through it with brute ignorance and 'what about beergate' for a coupe of days. Half apologise in the HOC and then go on the offensive about the cost of living.
Could also be an old dead cat given the horrific news of the date raper that came out yday.
No one cares about partygate anymore etc.
And add to that the lingering feeling that Boris et al will have of "what else do they have?"
Oh of course. But the patience is seriously commendable.
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