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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3


    Two paywall articles with no source of your statement. Your just googling and reporting some pro Ukraine story as fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Nah, the above is outrageous.

    A charity saving children from radiation poisoning and a war zone is heroic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 tonium22




  • Posts: 4,546 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nail on the head isn't it. Anything can happen to kids. Tusla (of all people) now having to look for foster families for these kids. Not an easy task.


    Pardon my world weary cynicism for asking questions about somebody bringing a pile of kids in without telling the authorities.


    It seems like only 5 minutes since a certain well known homeless charity boss, campaigner, councillor with an unblemished reputation, and whom no one would think of asking questions about, exposed as a sexual predator of the vulnerable men he was supposed to be helping. Did we learn nothing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Pro Ukraine story? Are you pro Russia or something?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3


    That's why oversight is needed. We can't give NGOs that much power around kids without checks and balances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Everyone on their side wears a halo, everyone who's not on their side wears horns. So there's no need for any scrutiny, everything will go perfectly, nothing can go wrong. But if it somehow happens to go wrong, the same people will be out to downplay the wrong, and will likely never accept that their actions had a role in it. That's how mainstream politics works nowadays; once you're on the "good side", there's no need foresee potential problems, and there's certainly no need for accountability.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Posts: 261 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So it begins 😡

    My father and all his neighbours were meant to have their homes connected to the Mains water earlier this year. One of my neighbours called the Council to see why it hadn't happened as scheduled.

    Oh our budget for the rest of the year has to go to support Ukrainian refugees.

    It's great to help X amount of people but we don't have a bottomless pit of resources and money to help everyone.

    Also...genuine question... who the the fook are we letting in. Some of the people in my local town are dog rough, like drinking on the street in the middle of the day rough.

    I see a lot of problems coming down the line.



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    “Oh our budget for the rest of the year has to go to support Ukrainian refugees.”

    Copied from above post.

    No council employee said that.

    I’m sure that you never saw some of our own genteel folk drinking (and doing other illegal activities) outdoors whilst looking dog rough?



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  • Posts: 261 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Don't call me or my old neighbour a liar 🙄

    Why are the houses not being connected to the mains if money is flush???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It's Irish Water that handles connections to mains water and sewage.

    They would normally require payment up front from the client.

    I'm not aware of any of their budget being redirected to Refugees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,732 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Better late than never I suppose...


    The Government has been secretly warned that the arrival of tens of thousands of Ukrainian refugees into towns and cities across the country poses a risk to social cohesion and integration, particularly among deprived communities.


    Ministers have also been told that the current humanitarian response could become unsustainable in the coming weeks, with a risk that those displaced by the war in Ukraine may not be able to secure accommodation, education, income support or access employment.


    In other news, water is wet!

    This is why virtue signalling and "feelz" never lasts long when they meet that hard unavoidable wall called reality!


    Https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/cabinet-secret-memo-warns-of-threat-to-social-cohesion-over-ukrainian-refugees-41675152.html



  • Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Do you not think that guests in this country, have a responsibility to conduct themselves in a civil manner?

    Particularly given the hospitality extended towards them..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Ministers have also been told that the current humanitarian response could become unsustainable in the coming weeks, with a risk that those displaced by the war in Ukraine may not be able to secure accommodation, education, income support or access employment.

    If you accept this narrative, you've to believe that our current political class are actually mentally incompetent, so much so that they should not be in power, and could easily qualify for being wards of the state. I saw a certain "far right" figure interview a politician who went to Ukraine recently, and said politician was beyond ignorant on nearly everything he was pushing. He was a great example of a man who lives in a bubble, who literally gets all his information from the media and never took a foot beyond that narrow space. In his eyes what came from the media was like the word of God, and anything beyond that would be comparative to listening to the devil in his mind. The attacks on dissent and alternative views are so effective that people like that will never hold an alternative view no matter how sound said views are.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Secretly warned? 😂

    Good old Indo, still pretending it's not the Daily Star but in Green.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I saw a certain "far right" figure interview a politician who went to Ukraine recently

    Which journalist was this and who was the politician?

    Have you a link for this interview?



  • Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Absolutely agreed Boggles.

    Secrecy and obfuscation is entirely misplaced here. There’s nothing ambiguous about the consequences of a limitless invitation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Soviet expansion in Europe was never going to be consequence free.

    There is no such thing as limitless, Ukrainian's are finite.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Nope. What's the point? I could show you a stone and you'd tell me it was a tree. Anyone who knows your style, knows how pointless it is to deal with you. You've no regard for the truth, and you exist on boards simply to defend and downplay every idiotic state policy, with no regard for the consequences, and you do it all with the greatest smugness imaginable. You're at this nearly 20 years too, so would why I expect change from a person who never changes?

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Jaysus, what are you afraid of? 😕

    Throw up the interview there let us all see it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Nope, they are 2 different things.

    But Which country has introduced a cap?



  • Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Considering it’s a Cabinet memo, I’d like to know who’s leaking secret government information to the press.

    But in fairness to this thread and topic, it just shows that many of the concerns raised here by posters most of which are quite level headed and balanced in their views. have been validated by this headline article - giving a Ukrainian person rest and comfort for a few weeks is something most Irish families and households could do, with little sacrifice to themselves - but that was never going to be the case and countless people here highlighted that- we’ve always said the commitment would have to be at least 1 year and quite likely 18 months or more and that the sacrifices made would be much greater.

    I don’t see this ending well for Ireland- how we treat the refugees will be in the spotlight now and I don’t think we’ll be viewed kindly



  • Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Boggles, you need reach out to minister McEntee to query the semantics of her public statements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,732 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    It'll be Direct Provision all over again with the moral outrage and demands to "do better"

    But.. Just as with DP, no one is forcing these folks to stay if they don't like the arrangements or limitations that are a result of that reality I referred to earlier. They could always try any number of other countries instead.



  • Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There are temporary measures and permanent solutions- the government and their agencies are going to have to accept that temporary measures won’t be perfect- but like, this is the same government that wants people to throw their homes open to Ukrainians for an unlimited amount of time without any further support bar 400 euro per month



  • Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well I think once here, someone coming from a war torn country won’t want to head off somewhere else so quickly- but I think we’ve over promised from the outset what we could deliver and now the government are struggling



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    giving a Ukrainian person rest and comfort for a few weeks is something most Irish families and households could do

    I don't think that is true, the bulk of refugees are families, primarily young women with children of primary age. I very much doubt the majority of Irish Families could do that.

    That said 10s of 1000s of unutilised offers are there. Glacial incompetence seems to be the main factor why they are not been utilised.

    Also I'm not so sure who these people are that thought the commitment to Ukraine would be measured in weeks and not much longer?



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