Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

20-05-2022 03:17PM

@Boggles those reasons make sense. I can be pretty “woe is me” at times but when I take a breath a put life into perspective, mine is a walk in the park in comparison.

To be fair to the children’s rights spokesperson on PT last night. She stressed that the goal would be to reunite the children with their parents be that in Ukraine or elsewhere in the world. She knows as much as the rest of us about when the war will end. Her priority was the mental welfare and physical safety of the kids. She spoke well.

airy fairy · 20-05-2022 03:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090220#Comment_119090220

And did the organisation contact the HSE to see if the state could actually care for these children?

There are very few hospitals that can cater for radiation poisoning. Is there one such hospital in Mayo that has specialist treatment areas in it, and specialist doctors to man it?

There a self proclaimed doctor who arrived a few weeks before these kids from Ukraine, apparently he has studied kids like these, studied is all. Not treated, studied.

Adi Roche has been at the forefront of bringing children from Ukraine over to Ireland with 20+ years. If the likes of her isn't organising something similar, isn't organising planeloads of kids to land here, then it's a sure sign what this mayo bunch has done is off the wall.

Boggles · 20-05-2022 03:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090275#Comment_119090275

There a self proclaimed doctor

You mean the actual paediatrician who is regarded as the leading scientist in radiation poisoning especially amongst children?

That self proclaimed doctor?

😂

airy fairy · 20-05-2022 03:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090343#Comment_119090343

He's not employed by the HSE, so we have no idea of his credentials. Because of corruption in education qualifications in Ukraine, we cannot just believe what is told. To come from Ukraine only a few weeks ago, I wouldn't think the man is even Garda vetted.

20-05-2022 03:39PM

Large groups of kids arriving without parents and without Tusla being informed?

Come on now, this is asking for trouble. Look at the history of scandals and abuse. They need to either put a stop to it or very strict rules.

Field east · 20-05-2022 03:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090185#Comment_119090185

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090143#Comment_119090143

None of us have a clue of the family circumstances that gave rise to the decision each parent / guardian made to allow a minor to be sent to Ireland. I could list a 1000+ reasons. Remember , there is a BRUTAL War CURRENTLY going on. The only word - not words- in the minds of all parents WORLDWIDE - and most especially in this case ie in Ukraine is SURVIVAL

Of course they probably feel very upset , lonely, maybe even abandoned, etc, BUT they are ALIVE

airy fairy · 20-05-2022 03:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090389#Comment_119090389

Ah sure as long as they're alive, who cares if they get physical or mental health attention, who cares if they sleep in a hall or away from their native tongue and not understand what's going on.

As long as there alive, for the 'feel good' factor. 🙄

Field east · 20-05-2022 03:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090185#Comment_119090185

Have u proof that they were trafficked? We must also remember that is was a UKR national that was behind it and A UKr might make a different mindset to an Irish national - different take on things/ different way of doing things. The companionate attitude and action taken by the lady hotelier in the program last night is also to be commended. Remember there is a BRUTAL and RAGING wars going on

Boggles · 20-05-2022 03:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090247#Comment_119090247

Its not true to say nowhere is safe in Ukraine, all the current fighting is in the east of the country

Really? You should get onto Zelenskyy with that intel

https://ua.interfax.com.ua/news/general/832807-amp.html

Boggles · 20-05-2022 03:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090359#Comment_119090359

so we have no idea of his credentials

😂😂🤣🤣

Here is his Wiki, he world renowned and highly respected, there is a clue there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yury_Bandazhevsky

airy fairy · 20-05-2022 03:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090413#Comment_119090413

There's a war on the east of the country. Many areas in the vast country of Ukraine are not affected. Maybe transferring these kids to other parts of their homeland may have been better than the other side of Europe.

Where is the evidence that these children have not been trafficked?

The removal of children, even from a warzone, without hse and Tusla go ahead, was a stupid and presumptuous thing for anyone to do. It was not up to her to dictate who should come to this country for refuge.

How would you deal with a divorced couple where the father has sent the child away to Ireland, but the mother has no idea where her child has gone without her permission? Where is the correct procedure and database that has been checked for this kind of scenario?

airy fairy · 20-05-2022 04:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090458#Comment_119090458

Ah sure Wkii🤣🤣

He's a researcher. And a scientist.

You do know that most education credentials are not recognised in this country? You do understand the corruption in Ukraine education?

Field east · 20-05-2022 04:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090210#Comment_119090210

I have no intantion of being smart here but can I respectfully suggest that your idea with regards to bringing such a similar group to ireland would be to have all the boxes ticked first eg have all the required documention / permissions in your possession, Adequate finance available for flights and confirmed bookings to transport group as one group., Organise and pay for transport from Dub to. Sligo , organise supervision of group by adults at all times, , have required accommodation organised including food, all services informed and ON TAP , all necessary educational facilities in place to that the relevant children on and THEN YOU ARE READY TO GO. There might be a possibility that the war could be over by the time you get going.

I don’t know how much you know about what’s going on but if you follow a number of the relevant threads on boards , which I do, your approach might change. You have to read between the lines on boards to get a ‘true’ picture of what’s going on. Maybe I have been influenced by having been caught been caught up in three war situations in three different countries and I guarantee to you that the only word that was in my vocabulary on those three occasions was SURVIVAL

Boggles · 20-05-2022 04:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090481#Comment_119090481

Ukraine didn't exist when he became a paediatrician.

We really have entered bizarro world when one of the the most renowned doctors and scientists in radiation poisoning and actual Chernobyl is labelled as a "self proclaimed doctor".

Beyond fúcking weird. 😕

Field east · 20-05-2022 04:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090247#Comment_119090247

In order to keep the UKR army on its feet, RU , every so often attack locations in the east eg Lviv. This is an attempt to spread the UKR army all over the country. This makes perfect sense from a RU perspective. So no place and nobody is safe in Ukraine

Subzero3 · 20-05-2022 04:20PM

No NGO should be allowed take kids from another country without the right agencies having foresight. I can't believe they got the paperwork and got them on planes and across borders. Surely there is something going on in the background. Either way its the wrong.

There's plenty of wars going on, imagine if a Sein Fein NGO went to Gaza and took a plane load of kids back to Ireland it would be a different reaction.

ShamNNspace · 20-05-2022 04:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090568#Comment_119090568

Aye shurely, rite enuf

Field east · 20-05-2022 04:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090406#Comment_119090406

you might share with us what you suggest teen , starting off with the circumstances in which the minors are found in a country where a brutal war is raging and no one what direction it is going - both geographically , intensity, etc.

20-05-2022 04:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119089940#Comment_119089940

“And I understand that food and accommodation was immediately provided for a few weeks until other needed services could be put in place.

the current approach at national level might take a leaf out of the UKR lady’s/ Mayo Co Co book”

Quoted from above post.

Who provided the other services? From experience, I know that donations dry up pretty quickly. Did she get them all registered for PPS numbers and find approved foster parents for them? Has she organised psychological support? Financial support? Schools?

Inexperienced people bringing in vulnerable children or adults is a recipe for disaster. Children suffer severe trauma being separated from their parents and families, let alone leaving them behind in a war zone.

Boggles · 20-05-2022 04:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090637#Comment_119090637

Inexperienced people bringing in vulnerable children or adults is a recipe for disaster. Children suffer severe trauma being separated from their parents and families, let alone leaving them behind in a war zone

Do you know what else causes severe trauma in children, radiation poisoning.

It's pretty much life limiting with an almost guaranteed early excruciating death.

Inexperienced people bringing in vulnerable children or adults is a recipe for disaster

She isn't inexperienced though is she?

Field east · 20-05-2022 04:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090471#Comment_119090471

the clue is in how Ireland /EU suspended a lot of regulations with regards to non nationals entering Ireland . One has to make a FEW ADBjUSTMENTS in times of emergency - such as when a war is raging. Emagine the Dept of AGR allowed dogs in without a rabies cert - putting I risk children ,minors and adults at serious health risk and that’s just suspending regs for dogs. I assume that we would be just as acommodating for humans if not even more acommodating.

20-05-2022 04:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090677#Comment_119090677

I didn’t know that Ukrainians were being exposed to radiation?

iamwhoiam · 20-05-2022 04:50PM

To be pedantic She never claimed they actually had radiation poisoning . What she said was they were in a zone where radiation had increased slightly due to the disturbance of the land around Chernobyl .

Boggles · 20-05-2022 04:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090689#Comment_119090689

They have been for years, even more so lately because 1500 dumb Russian orcs decided that it would a super idea to set up camp outside the reactor.

The good news is a lot of them are now dead from radiation poisoning, the bad news is they spread the radiation outside the exclusion zone.

Field east · 20-05-2022 04:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090481#Comment_119090481

based on your certainty re the very serious level of corruption in Ukraine and Ukraine being born out of a very corrupt state ie The USSR And a large % of the annual military budget being pocketed by the oligarchs or equivalent NO WONDER THE UKRANIAN PEOPLE/ CIVILIANS/ARMY are performing SOOOO BADLY. Ho wait ——————-. The UKranians could teach us a thing or two going on the commitment , Love of country, performance, strategy, belief, cooperation shown. Give me a UKRANIAN any day if I ever find myself in trouble!

Field east · 20-05-2022 05:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090550#Comment_119090550

It is said that if you have a reputation for getting up early, you can stay in bed all day. It would be extremely sad , to put it mildly, if the said medical expert is the genuine article. We need to be careful with rather words we use . A little research, beforehand, might be advisable

Subzero3 · 20-05-2022 05:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090709#Comment_119090709

Where's the source of these deaths?

You do release people work in Chernobyl and still do, within metres of the reactor.

Belarusian kids would be impacted as much, should an NGO grab a few of them too?

Dempo1 · 20-05-2022 05:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119089940#Comment_119089940

Oddly the Chief Executive of Tulsa does not agree with your assertions, interviewed on Claire Byrne Radio show, whilst treading carefully, was not pleased at the actions of the "Belarusian" lady.

Dempo1 · 20-05-2022 05:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090185#Comment_119090185

Completely agree is was outrageous and Tulsa were none to pleased at what happened.

Boggles · 20-05-2022 05:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090920#Comment_119090920

You do release people work in Chernobyl and still do, within metres of the reactor

Yeah, it's an extremely dangerous but necessary job, that's why there are not fúcking dumb enough to dig trenches and drive 1000s of tonnes of heavy machinery across it.

Belarusian kids would be impacted as much

The Russians are not slaughtering civilians in Belarus at the moment, the lady who runs the charity is in fact Belarusian and is active there as well.

Where's the source of these deaths?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/04/01/russian-soldier-dies-radiation-poisoning-chernobyl/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-troops-radiation-chernobyl-ukraine-b2048563.html

Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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