Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

What makes you think all Ukrainians who came here had good jobs and their own accommodation back home to begin with? A librarian's salary is around 200eur (monthly). Rent of an apartment in some average city in the Western Ukraine is more than that. Prices are pretty european. According to Ukrainian news in 2021, 31% of Ukrainians had been prepared to go to Poland to work had they been offered work. This is Poland, were wages aren't that great and cost of living isn't cheap compared to wages. Why would the same chunk of people not want to come to Ireland where they'd be able to get eased into living and working much much easier considering accommodation provision and welfare assistance on arrival? Do you you know what conditions many working in Poland are living in earning peanuts, how many are sharing one room? Community centre in Ireland wouldn't be much different.

In many people's minds the community centre is a temporary hurdle to permanent accommodation and social housing. People do zero research of their own and many haven't a clue about social housing waiting lists (this often gets omitted from the info they get on a grapevine)

I have no idea what you are talking about, I made no such "lofty" claims or pretended I know what most of the population think.

Because how could I? 😕

Six figures, yes, I keep repeating it because it’s what I believe.

robbing houses and jobs ? I don’t think I’ve addressed the problems in those terms so please don’t be so disingenuous to claim otherwise… :) it might be worthwhile that you understand you can’t rob what you are being gifted…as for jobs, undercutting would be be the proper descriptive verb..

Jesus, that's epic ranting and raving, gifted free houses and cheap mechanics.

Trillions, Joe...tis teddible.

No .

To apply for amnesty one must be living here illegally for at least 4 years, have proof of address for each year they have been living here (bills, bank statements, etc).

A person sharing a room with 3 others somewhere on a farm who has no bank account or bills to pay who is getting cash in hand, what exactly is he going to be able to show to the Department of Justice? Letters from friends "yes, he has been here 4 years" won't cut it.

People who are here illegally less than 4 years automatically do not qualify.

This 1 year temporary permission is much handier. In a year's time if they are not stupid enough and manage to find a job and start paying taxes, they'll be allowed to extend their permission to stay in Ireland, will most likely get Stamp 4 (this is straight away access to all benefits incl housing) plus the clock will start ticking towards Irish citizenship.

You are scare mongering, or self scare mongering with nonsensical manufactured implausible scenarios.

Either way, it's not healthy for you and it's not healthy for reasonable discussion.

So these Ukrainian's you know all live off grid on farms? 🤣

This 1 year temporary permission is much handier. In a year's time if they are not stupid enough and manage to find a job and start paying taxes, they'll be allowed to extend their permission to stay in Ireland, will most likely get Stamp 4 (this is straight away access to all benefits incl housing) plus the clock will start ticking towards Irish citizenship

Under what statute of law?

Healthy and reasonable discussion eh :)

No but the government said no limits on numbers were already the the 30,000 + and increasing daily , didn't the government say 3bn support for 10,000 people from Ukraine , we are at 30,000 +so what's the cost ,??

Which EU country or any country has stated there will be a cap?

It's an EU directive incorporated into our own statute.

So again which country has stated their will be a cap, within the EU or otherwise?

This was just one of the examples. There are also those that work using someone else's PPS numbers too so effectively all their paperwork has someone else's name which is useless for amnesty application. Plenty of people out there that won't be able to avail of this regularisation scheme.

As for statute of law...Can you really imagine all these people being kicked out back to Ukraine in a year's time when they'll start showing how their kids have integrated really well into community and how they are working away paying taxes? I am sure as easy as they've come up with allowing anyone to come here even on expired internal passport (which isn't even in English), it'll be as easy to give them humanitarian leave to remain or something along those lines.

To be honest, I absolutely have nothing against those who came here looking for better life, have full intention to work to stay here. It's those that are trying to use the system that should be detected hence the checks and means testing I mentioned above.