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Near Misses Thread Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,258 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    Haven't seen this recent UK conviction mentioned in this thread. Interesting case and initially thought it was quite harsh and certainly not anything that would have received such a fine and points here. Hope the Gardaí are taking notes.


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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    I live there. Drivers coming from all directions ignore the cycle lane marking, turn right from the left turning lane, run the red when the pedestrian light is green...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭hesker


    “If anyone thinks that this standard of driving is acceptable then let this be a warning”

    If only we could hear that from our guys

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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    I think the junction simply isn’t finished since the Boulevard isn’t open yet. The cycle track through Shackleton is excellent and there’s similar ones just finished down at Somerton. Now that the hoardings are coming down across the road it seems there are equally good ones going in on the other side of the road.

    I’ve attached the plans. Currently leaving Shackleton the cycle lane merges with the pedestrian crossing, I think those turning right coming from Somerton will have to do the same or take the lane.

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    If you encrypt it then the garda won't be able to view it as they won't have the encryption key! They are fobbing you off.

    I've submitted videos via YouTube & Streamable.com (prior to the HSE hack) and also on DVD (I'm too cheap to be buying USB keys). Never been asked about encryption.

    You don't need an alternative for the 500Mb file - you need a new garda!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,077 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    Maybe there is an issue with encryption and encoding being confused, and it needed to be encoded in a different way? Maybe there are software limitations regarding what types of videos can be played on their computers? Grasping at straws, but is the only thing that makes sense to me.

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Possibly but as @Steoller was only trying to hand over the USB key, I'm assuming that the garda hasn't tried viewing it yet and so I'm inclined to think that the garda simply couldn't be arsed dealing with a poxy cyclist

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭buffalo


    I wouldn't be surprised if the Garda IT system prevent random USB keys being plugged in and accessed. There are plenty of companies who've been hacked when staff are given or pick up random USB keys and plug them in to see what's on them.

    In the two cases where I've given video to the Gardaí, for one I brought the laptop in and had the Garda use his phone to record the video playing on the laptop, and for the other I emailed a 1.5sec clip to the Garda's email (a longer clip was too large). I don't think the rank and file are set up to accept video evidence from the public, it might be different when there's an investigation underway with a dashcam appeal, etc.

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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,573 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    If you're referring to the third vid, it's as you travel from Leixlip towards Maynooth. That's the Carton estate wall on the right.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Idleater


    I notified them 20 + years ago about the conduct of their drivers. Consistent close passing, agressieve behavior and general "out of my way" attitude.

    Either nothing has been done and the same drivers are doing the same thing, or their recruitment and training of their drivers hasn't improved since then.

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    That bus has nothing to do with Intel. It is a public service between Naas & Blanchardstown.

    PM with email address sent. I've had her respond efficiently to an incident involving a driver of one of the red busses

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Anyway it's a dreadful junction for cyclists, and definitely one of those that calls for the right turn arrow to go green a few seconds before the straight on one

    Not sure if there would be much benefit to that though. It just needs some cyclists to approach it with a bit more cop on in terms of whether cars might be turning or not. Part of what makes it more hazardous when trying to get in front is that frequently drivers stop well past the white line.

    The left exit off the roundabout 100m to the right of that clip is another place cyclists need to be watching in all directions. Drivers will often try to overtake on the roundabout which results in them close passing the cyclist on the exit. I deliberately make it obvious to them not to do this by taking the lane and following a wide line into and off the roundabout.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    How would that protect the Garda IT? It just prevents access to the USB key without the password, not any kind of protection from nasties being on the USB key, or them infecting the Garda machines.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    The only thing I can see making people provide USB keys with Bitlocker enabled would do, is prevent people from bothering to submit footage as they can't be doing with figuring out what on earth it is or how to go about doing it.

    Just means that only people with IT skills are able to submit footage, anyone else is excluded from access to the services of the Garda in that respect.

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I suspect that they want the videos submitted on paper!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,407 ✭✭✭cletus


    Theres a set of lights like that in Naas, a straight ahead arrow, and a right turn arrow. They don't fire in sequence. Just because you have a straight on arrow, doesn't mean you'll have a right turn arrow. If the straight on arrow was a solid green in this instance, you would be entitled to proceed right when the solid green was lit, if it was safe to do, as far as I understand.

    I don't know if its the same at the junction in the video, but its the only thing I can think of

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Which just shows that whoever came up with the policy of requiring Bitlocker encryption has no idea as to what it is.

    It's utterly pointless in protecting the Garda systems, other than making it more difficult for people to submit evidence which has the only effect of making people not submit evidence.


    You put Bitlocker on your own USB stick to prevent someone else accessing your files when you lose it somewhere. Nothing else.

    It doesn't even protect the Garda from claims of "you stole my other files from the USB" as the stick would need to be decrypted anyway to access the video.

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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    This morning.

    It's a 360 Video so you may need to spin it (or your phone about)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Idleater


    My one from this morning:


    Stopped in front of a van in the bus lane at a red light. Van keeps rolling into me (albeit at 0.01kmph) so I shout at the driver who goes in quick succession:

    You hit me

    I didn't see you

    You are all the same


    At that point I was at least able to retort that was rich coming from a man in a van in the bus lane.


    Tempted to report a hit and run to traffic watch

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I did 35km on my way to work this morning. Had a car close pass me as I crossed the Liffey on the R404 approaching the Celbridge/Dublin Rd. Caught up with the driver at the traffic lights and courtesly said how he came very close to me. His reply was that I was in the middle of the road.

    A short while later, I was travelling along the back of Lyons Hill (between Boston & Athgoe Hills) and it's a country lane for those unfamiliar. White van man approaches at speed from behind and skims past me. Have them both on video but really couln't be arsed facing AGS with them.

    There were a few other lazy overtakes along the route. I really don't get some drivers who close pass you simply because they underestimate the distance required to move out. By the time the've moved out fully, they are well past you.

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Door to door it is about 8km but I tend to stretch it out. Normal commute is 13km whereas today was 36.2km. I'd usually do it somewhere between 27-30km/h

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    If there is a difference I'd say that it is down to two factors:

    * car drivers generally have no need to submit footage. I'd say most who have a dashcam have never downloaded the footage.

    * the main reason I suspect that a driver would submit footage is because gardai appealed for footage in relation to some incident. If tje gardai want and need footage, they arent going to make it difficult for themselves: they'll happily take it from the driver.

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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,573 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    I'd agree with this, I suspect 99% of motorists have never given footage to Gardai.

    I did about 12 months back, guy decided to overtake on a double white line on bends and almost had a head on collision with the idiot only for I dropped speed from 90 to 20km/hour fairly sharpish. Ironically the guy had bikes on the back of his car!

    Called Gardai when I got home and Gardai came out looking for dashcam footage. I offered it on USB or that I could put it on dropbox and give them a link but they wanted it on DVD/CD....luckily I can still burn those.

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Looking at the vid, it looks like yet another cycle lane that was designed without any input from people who are expected to use it.

    The cycle lane puts one in direct danger of being doored. You also have busses stopping on them meaning that the cyclist would have to allow oncoming traffic to pass before moving out. It is much easier (and legal) to stay out of the cycle lane.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭Breezer


    This is exactly why. I pass by there a fair bit and have been beeped at for doing the same thing, but it’s the only safe way to approach it. You pass through a village and multiple sets of lights within the next few hundred metres so the beepers aren’t going anywhere fast anyway, but that doesn’t seem to enter their heads.

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Does the bus driver beep at everyone who is not moving as quickly as they want?

    Does the bus driver move out of the way of people who want to go faster than them?

    Beeping at a cyclist rarely achieves more than pointing out that the driver is a bully and is trying to intimidate another road user.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭buffalo


    The idea of taking the lane is that it prevents an aggressive driver from doing anything more than beeping at you and maybe revving the engine. If you didn't take the lane, they'd close pass you with potential consequences a lot worse than intimidation. (And if they do close pass you when you've taken the lane, you've a lot of room to move into without hitting the kerb/railing/canal/etc.) So by taking the lane, you'll both be alive and be right.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,543 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Oh they can still overtake dangerously even if you take the lane, but as buffalo says, at least you have somewhere to retreat to if threatened with a punishment pass.

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