Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Not saying you’re wrong but have yih any evidence to back up that people in hotels pay something?

A suggestion from a Dublin city councillor that homeless people should be forced to pay a nominal charge for hotel accommodation has been dismissed as "kite-flying".

Independent councillor Ruairí McGinley has said a charge of between €20 and €50 per week should apply to emergency accommodation in hotels and B&Bs.

They really should be encouraging those from safe areas of Ukraine that are here to go back. It would free up resources for those most in need and ease the pressure here.

As ive said before also men should not be accepted but the PC brigade that dominate all here would have collective meltdowns.

I am not sure what land mass has to do with it to be fair ,.Then its not like refugees can be thrown into huge fields ?

The bulk of the "refugees" in Russia are actually hostages.

So it's down to how countries perform now 🙄 Eurovison type competition so to speak, I've heard it all now.

There's a curious aspect to how this entire crisis has been handled.

Logistically, logically, financially and practically bordering countries should have and continue to be the temporary relocation destination of choice, why in heavens name are Refugee's being practically encouraged to traipse across an entire continent is utterly perplexing.

Ours and other governments would have been far more prudent to offer direct financial support through approved agencies to those countries bordering Ukraine accommodating Refugee's. Instead we've got this bizzare approach, displacing 10"s of thousands in countries involving substantial travel, little or no infrastructure in place, little or no verifications taking place and €100"s of million euro essentially being thrown into a bottomless pit.

Then there's the problem of repatriation when and if the time comes, who's going to organise and pay for this or perhaps is it True, Government have no intention of encouraging those to return home.

There's another curious aspect to what is going on. Within a month of this crisis it was evident, large sways of Ukraine never saw so much of a firework go off. I'd wager 80% of the country has seen little or no military action. Of course there was isolated bombings but generally in areas already affected by fighting.

Why, under the auspices of the UN weren't there dedicated Refugee centre's set up within Ukraine or near its Western borders, run by the Red Cross, Medical NGO"s 🤔

Putin is Vile, Deranged but even he wouldn't be foolish enough to bomb UN Mandated and operated Refugee Zones. Whilst initially no one could be sure were this war was going, it quickly enough became evident that it was concentrated in very specific regions with at least 80% of Ukraine not affected by fighting and bombings. It would seem to me there's no logical reason now to have actively encouraged millions to leave Ukraine when support infrastructures could have been set up, primarily in most of Western and central Ukraine.

There's decade's of examples of Refugee sanctuaries being set up within war torn countries and region's.

I of course understand initially no one knew were this was going but within weeks it became very clear, large sways of Ukraine have not been impacted by this war.

That would be an extremely remedial view of what is actually happening in Ukraine at the moment.

It's basically Russian propaganda TBH, sure special operation, we are only after the Nazis, the vast majority of Ukraine and Ukrainians are living in absolute peace and prosperity.

The country has been absolutely destroyed both socially and economically, martial law has been declared for the entire country as they try and fight off Soviet Expansion into Europe.

That point seems to get forgotten.

But but but whatabout me.

We get it, you don't like Ukrainians, but you have just basically descended into a Russian disinformation agent at this stage.

It's boring.

Nobody is claiming not to like anyone but more probably posting out of concern as to what the long term impact of this will be on our small country…and us, citizens …in fact you’d be a bit of a lunatic if you didn’t question it…

we’d have some fûckin idea if the government capped it but as per Martin and McEntee… NO LIMITS…

so the impact on Ireland and its citizens is unquantifiable….great.

how is our healthcare going to cope… ? According The Irish College of General Practitioners (ICGP) we are..

approximately 2000 doctors short… the waiting lists in GP surgeries and in hospitals confirm.

They confirmed…Shortages of physiotherapists, psychologists, nurses and carers. For our current population.

so everyone arrives gets given a medical card and assigned a GP… EVERYTHING is covered…. Not just life threatening illness help and cover… if you were a Ukrainian with a bad back.. arthritis… all of a sudden you have a free healthcare pass, you are in dreamland ! You’ll be wanting that visit by the physio, the referral, the procedure… all free gratis.

a lot more then asylum being offered here.

country and it’s citizens will be recovering from this shock for a long time..

what a time to be Irish, not.

so everyone arrives gets given a medical card and assigned a GP… EVERYTHING is covered…. Not just life threatening illness help and cover… if you were a Ukrainian with a bad back.. arthritis… all of a sudden you have a free healthcare pass, you are in dreamland ! You’ll be wanting that visit by the physio, the referral, the procedure… all free gratis.

So on one hand you say our health system is fécked but on the other the Ukrainians who will be availing of the same health system will be fast tracked into the secret world class one? 😕

You didn't think that through did you?

I know you didn't, that was my words, but you painted 2 completely different things in one post.

I'd say the main challenge for Health care in the Ukraine, is the war, medics at the front line, hospitals being cluster bombed etc.

But again which "dreamland" health system will they be availing of here?

I was in Edinburgh over the weekend, and there were several Ukrainians; mainly women and children, on the plane on the way back. I'm sure I'll be called heartless for daring to beg the question, but why would someone go from one safe country to another if it was purely a matter of desperation? Maybe it was the only way to get to Ireland from Ukraine? But all the same it could just as easily be the fact that we're offering them the sun, the moon and the stars, as people will always take the most generous offer on the table, and Ireland's offer is generous to the point of stupidity.

You have to have been resident in Ukraine on 24 th of February( i think thats the right date but open to correction ) to apply for the benifits here

Nor can I see how they are verifying who was actually resident at the dates applicable, however its only fair to say, I believe those who couldn't return to Ukraine were covered by the directive ,but again, how that's being verified an absolute mystery.