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JFK Assassination Autopsy Details Revealed After 55 Years

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,103 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    nothing I stated was an opinion. They were facts. and there is no need for a magic bullet theory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,460 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    Pivot ... 😴

    I asked you at 8.20 this morning what your opinion was , you didnt give an opinion on what happened, so stop deflecting.

    Its easy to sit on the fence in fear of actually giving an opinion , when all you you do is deflect .....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,988 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Where do you get the idea that the two bullets that struck Kennedy were fired 1-2 seconds apart? What evidence is there for this claim?


    Again, the accepted facts - determined via evidence (Zapruder film) - are that the two shots were spaced approx. 6 seconds apart (Page 46 here)


    You don't seem to have much grasp of the actual evidence here, relying instead on appeals to authority (Josiah Thompson) & hearsay again ("critics claim").


    You also ask "Can anyone on here explain how the magic bullet worked then ?" - this has been fully explained with reference to the relative positions of Kennedy & Connolly. Do you just ignore evidence that doesn't suit your theory (whatever that may be)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,460 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    Facts ?

    Theres no "1st shot" timing to base the timing on , as Zapruder is believed to have started filming after the 1st shot.

    Magic bullet theory ? Why ?

    Does that make sense to you ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,216 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    And I answered in a later post.

    As mentioned, conspiracy theorists have little or no interest in the conspiracy theory itself. In fact, they'll do almost anything to avoid discussing the conspiracy theory at all. They want to pivot and bait others into "proving" the main theory to them which they can (and will) subjectively reject and act incredulous about until the cows come home, whilst never having to explain what alternatively happened.

    That is what's occurring here. Of course if you want to present one of the conspiracy theories you believe in, please go ahead. If someone wants to claim that JFK was an inside job, cool, but it's not enough to handwave and say "the CIA did it" then provide no credible evidence for that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,460 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs



    "If someone wants to claim that JFK was an inside job, cool, but it's not enough to handwave and say "the CIA did it" then provide no credible evidence for that."

    😂 😂

    The state of you.... You think this is a court of law? Its a forum. You dont make the rules.

    I gave my opinion on who i believe were behind, and also the reasons.

    If you need more just google "Cia linked with jfk killing" and all the same info i read is there. .... Simple (Your Honour)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,460 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    Ok then , sheeple....

    Please explain the trajectory that Oswalds 'bullet' took through Kennedy and Connolly.

    Please explain why Oswald would assassinate the President of the USA ?

    Lets hear your opinions then .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,557 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Above is nonsense and has been discussed in the JFK thread at length.


    This is the path the bullet took


    Oswalds motives? To impress Castro or the USSR. He wanted to go back and live in one of those places. And I believe he was headed back to the Cuban embassy or Russian embassy in Mexico City after the assassination.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,460 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    As believable as 2 shooters ...

    or 1 man taking two shots ... or a bullet that was relatively unmarked after doing the somersaults through 2 humans...

    Whats the definitive decision?

    NO ONE will ever know for sure.... Thats why Theories exist in the absence of 100% ACTUAL proof.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,103 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    you said the timing between bullets 2 an 3 was 1 second. This is provably false.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,988 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Once again, you seem remarkably unfamiliar with the evidence as it stands. The path of the "magic bullet" has been explained at length and ad nauseam.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,557 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Its not as credible as 2 shooters. No one saw another shooter. No other bullets or casings were found other than from Oswalds gun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,216 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Strangely defensive response.

    If someone asks, this is fascinating, how did the CIA kill JFK? Who pulled the trigger? You don't seem to have any notion. And no interest in discovering it. Not exactly compelling stuff. When I ask for the most basic of details, your response is to go "look it up on google". I have looked it up and there are several different vague versions involving the CIA.

    Is there one in particular you support, or you just don't care, anything with "CIA" in it will do?

    "JFK was absolutely totally an inside job, 100%"

    -"Wow, that's amazing, so who did it?"

    "I don't know, the CIA or someone"

    -"Right, so what are the details?"

    "Go look it up, and remember, question everything!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    As should be noted, the Warren Commission conducted numerous ballistic experiments using the same bullets and none of them closely resembled the magic bullet. Only one bullet that slightly resembled the magic bullet was fired through plain cotton wool. Despite this lemon being sold as truth, it appears from this site that the public still believes this nonsense. 

    The bullets can move in strange ways, but this is not the issue at hand. The impact of a bullet on bone would cause significant deformation, so to say otherwise is not logical. Some debunkers attempted to reproduce this and failed; their bullet resembled a bending finger. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    The camera view of the Presidential car is obscured for a couple of seconds by a Stemmons Freeway sign. When the car was visible again, Governor Connally was seated forward. Kennedy was already moving his hands upwards as he was already shot somewhere between the car passing the sign and emerging again. The debunkers are incorrect when they claim Kennedy and Connally were shot at the same time. The second bullet struck Connally in the back as he turned around. Following the car's exit from the sign, this bullet struck Connally in full view of the camera. The bullet struck Kennedy when the car was blocked by the sign.   



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    The first shot, according to many who use guns frequently, is always the best shot. Take your time to get steady and focused before pulling the trigger. The fact that Oswald missed the first shot is a mystery as well. If there were multiple shooters in a number of locations and firing bullets in various directions, there is no mystery. Gunshots struck Kennedy and Governor Connally, as well as windscreens and road surfaces   



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Hardly, since Hunt was a well-known spy and organized one of the biggest scandals in American history that brought down a sitting president. Due to Hunt's status, the allegations and names are not to be taken lightly.

    In addition the dilemma of how one arrests people who work for the US government, as they are law unto themselves? Would the Russian GRU arrest Russian generals and President Putin?

    If what Hunt is telling you is true, then it will be much more difficult to bring them to justice. There are not ordinary citizens, particularly considering how influential the CIA is. it is very difficult to get them to admit that some of its employees carried out an assassination on an American president.

    Because of this, the CIA might have wanted to keep the JFK files out of public hands, as there may be information that ties Oswald and the CIA together or some links that will break open the case. The fact that the CIA and FBI informed Trump he could not release the full files implies that something is in them. 

    There seems to be a slight naivety in believing that you can get the full truth from conspiracy theories such as 9/11 and JFK. The CIA is powerful enough to block all investigations based on national security concerns alone. 

     



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,557 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Clearly impossible that Connally was hit when he turned around, which would've created an exit wound on the left side of his chest. It wasnt, it was on the right. Perfectly in line with a shot from the back, sitting facing forward. This is undeniable. Its fact.

    This is basic stuff.

    Im not commenting on the rest of your fact free waffle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,988 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    So that's a "yes I do ignore evidence that doesn't suit my theory, in fact I make up stuff too!"?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    During the interview, Connally stated that he was in the process of turning when he was hit. 


    The image shows Kennedy in some discomfort, with his arms now reaching up to his throat and the bullet already exiting his throat area. Connally still seated forward

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    In a few more frames, we can see Kennedy is in view, his arms are raised still and Connally is still forward 

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    The second bullet strikes Connally, and the image becomes somewhat fuzzy. 

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    Definitely not the same bullet. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,557 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Good to see you've solved it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    The frames show what happened. Due to the speed of the bullet passing through the air, Connally would have felt the impact immediately had the bullet left Kennedy's throat area in the time frame you suggest.

    Unless your blind Connally is seated forward when the car passes the sign and comes into view. Kennedy was clearly struck before that, as evidenced by his reactions inside the car. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,557 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Struck at the same time. Theres literally a movie of it happening.

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    Also this


    So explain how Connally was hit from behind from a different bullet without it hitting JFK first?



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yea, Cheerful has this filter where he can edit what he sees depending on the theory. He claims to see a giant mirror in one photo of the WTC. You're arguing up the wrong tree if you think clear visual evidence will help you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    How fast does a bullet travel? No delay should exist between Kennedy's reaction and Connallly's response. You do not seem to understand that Kennedy was reacting to his throat area prior to the car reemerging. Rather than sitting forward, Connally should be reacting at the same time. This appears to be complicated visuals do convey all of the information.  

    By the time Kennedy responds, the bullet has already passed through the throat and Kennedy is reacting as a result. 



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Have you analysed the time it takes people to react to being shot in different parts of the body, whilst they have already heard a gunshot moments before and they have a president sat behind them. Maybe their brain didn't process something hitting their shoulder as relevant as quickly as someone having a bullet through their throat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    An additional fact which has been ignored by debunkers is that Governor Connally believes he was injured by a second bullet but does not care to dive into how this is contrary to the findings of the Warren Commission. Throughout his life, he has maintained that he felt that impact there was no delay in response. 

    As described in this thread, Kennedy is already in pain when he raises his arms to his throat behind the sign. As of yet, Connally, who is seated forward, has not even realized what is happening, which is incomprehensible since the bullet had already left the throat when the bullet allegedly exited.

     There has always been controversy regarding whether the wound in the throat was an entry wound or an exit wound. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,557 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    There has always been controversy regarding whether the wound in the throat was an entry wound or an exit wound. 

    No there hasn't. Only amongst fantasists.

    From 1 min on in the above video. A 3D model of the shooting. Close up and slowed down for people like Cheerful. They react at the same time. Same bullet.


    For a giggle though. Say it was a different bullet. How did it not hit JFK first? It would've had to given the trajectory and Connallys wounds.

    Where is that bullet?

    Where was it fired from?

    Does that mean there was no grassy knoll shot?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    A Dale Mayer video, I believe, in which he too claims that Connally's entrance wound measured 1.25 inches. This seems to be an error that nobody bothered to investigate for themselves in the debunker community. They cannot be bothered to tell the truth when they believe Oswald acted alone 



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