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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    What do people think at this point is more likely?

    Russia collapsing/regime change* and ending hostilities with withdrawl to Russian territory.


    Or


    Ukrainian military defeat with withdrawal to Eastern Ukraine and significant concessions to Russia in cease-fire/peace deal due to worse negotiating position.


    It seems to me to be the latter, I think Russia are likely to keep up offensive and break through the well dug in and prepared Ukrainian military before anything major happens domestically in Russia to change situation. Probably would be best to go to negotiated solution with its military majority intact.


    *assuming that regime change wouldn't just bring even more hardliner leader in Russia as there are plenty



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    For more advanced missiles and tank production and electronics you need high grade semi conductors,and you wont find that in consumer equipment



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    Zelensky is open to Russia keeping Crimea. Keeping the Donbas is more tricky because any reward will entice Putin or successors to try for more. Crimea was Ukrainian in name only.

    BUT, you've got to ask yourself who has the bigger stomach for this Russian soldiers and command or Ukrainians? There may be more cannon fodder on the Russian side, but the motivation is vastly superior on the Ukranian side. Ukraine is being equipped with better weapons than the Russians have. Ukraine is getting financial support. Russia is bleeding soldiers, finances and basics to keep their country going. Where is the upside to Russia continuing the fight - very little apart from Putin's pride. There is MASSIVE incentive on the Ukrainian side to keep fighting.

    So, I think a protracted battle of months/years until Russia exhausts itself. Hopefully that's months rather than years.



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    Well we have seen that to often in Ukraine lol

    If they really needed it i am sure their ally China would provide it,except for high grade semi conductors,thats only made in US,South Korea and Taiwan,and they all sanction Russia



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    No its not a war,its a special operation,and you cant force conscripts to fight in another country when its only for defence.

    Thats what conscripts are for,defending your own country,not invade other countries.



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    Shouldnt really mess with Iceland,they defeated UK and Germany in the Cod wars




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭zv2


    If they can retake Kherson they would look like they're winning.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭zv2


    Putin's health. Dunno if this is true.

    Russian agents 'believe Putin is terminally ill' after top-secret memo, report claims

    Speculation around Vladimir Putin's health has circulated for several years, but has only intensified since he ordered the invasion of Ukraine.

    Now, New Lines magazine reports it has obtained an audio recording of an oligarch close to the Kremlin who describes the Russian president as "very ill with blood cancer", although the type of blood cancer was not specified.

    It says a "top-secret memo" was sent out by the headquarters of the FSB, Russia’s domestic security agency, to all its regional directors.

    Christo Grozev, the head of investigations at Bellingcat, a well-respected forensic research website, said: "The memo instructed the regional chiefs not to trust rumours about the president's terminal condition.

    "The directors were further instructed to dispel any rumors to this effect that may spread within the local FSB units. According to a source at one of the regional units who saw the memo, this unprecedented instruction had the opposite effect, with most FSB officers suddenly coming to believe that Putin indeed suffers from a serious medical condition."

    Ukraine news live: Russian agents 'believe Putin is terminally ill'; Finland warns of 'problems' on border; soldier's war crimes trial begins | World News | Sky News

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭bennyineire


    There hasn't been conscription in Ireland since Gaelic Ireland, just think about what has happened in the last 800 years and there was never conscription. So what are you on about?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    Watch out for Bellingcat, they are the basically the unofficial leakers for the Pentagon. Have dodgy history with Syria info.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,816 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    If, and it's a big if, he's really ill, that makes it harder to predict what he'll do. If he's faced with the complete destruction of his "Legacy" and his reputation being tarnished in history books, what actions will he take?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    War often comes to people, especially with Communist Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Even if we lived in a world without State led war, we would need a good Navy and Army, proper radar etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1



    Again your taking a quote of mine entirely, deliberately and completely out of all context so you can appear to be getting outraged at something I said.

    get informed not faux outraged!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Exactly something some of us have been saying for years on here we need all of that first and foremost before anything else is discussed,

    Finland and Sweden have extremely good enough defense capabilities they built up from scratch and to built to their needs and yet they are still running to Nato ,

    We have little or no defensive capability to even begin with ,ah sure it will be grand every other country will send their sons and daughters to defend us so its nothing to worry about ( what kinda mentality is that )



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Finland will become a Nato backwater-russian spokesman Dmitry Peskov, said Russia would “definitely” see Finnish membership as a threat

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    There will be no Ukraine military defeat, the West, and in particular, the US, is keen to push for Ukraine to drive the Russians back to pre-Feb borders. There will be lots of taking and re-taking of land and towns, but there will come a time when munitions stocks will run low on the Russian side. That's when desperation will rise to the occasion. Its at that point when the West needs to either risk a major escalation in the war ( with Russias back to the wall and the use of a tactical nuke or other WMD becoming attractive), or be prepared to give Russia a way out while saving face, with no Ukranian defeat. The support that Ukrainian forces are getting from the West is beyond vast and can continue for years. Russia cannot. I think the US is seizing the opportunity to whittle down Russias capabilities and world standing under the Umbrella of NATO, and that's fine, so long as there is an off-ramp presented to Putin. Don't underestimate how proud Russians are. They would do anything for the Motherland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    I agree. I come from an Army house. The consensus here is simple. We need to join Nato and receive all the strategic, technical and logistical knowhow that comes with joining. The Irish Army are really, really good at some things ( counter-terrorism, bomb disposal and IED disposal and sniping). The rest needs a major, major overhaul. Starting with pay and accommodation fit for purposes especially for young Army families. Then a strategic airlift capability, then an adequate radar or radars to cover our airspace. Start from there and move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    So maybe take the time to read stuff before your knee jerks, hits you in the stomach and you vomit out a statement.

    This is what Herdquitter said,

    herdquitter12:49 am orcs can  resign and return to mordor, without it seems much in the way of penalty. Yet, they seem to prefer to die in their thousands raping, looting and murdering their way across Ukraine

    Not defending anyone especially Russia, this kind of barbarism is what they been known for since the WW2 and some of it has to do with badly trained conscripted troops. I said

    Conscripts can’t resign

    you come along then some time later and say,

    Bennyineire said, There hasn't been conscription in Ireland since Gaelic Ireland, just think about what has happened in the last 800 years and there was never conscription. So what are you on about?

    How do you figure what you said is at all relevant to the above two statements 🤔



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    So the context for directing the comment to me is what now 🤔

    As a sub heading here are a few articles from the internet you may find informative, there are many more BTW

    Get informed not outraged!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,464 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Turkey is acting the cnut about Finland and Sweden joining NATO claiming they are home to terrorist organisations.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,525 ✭✭✭RedXIV


    Turkey confuse the hell out of me. At various points in the war they have appeared to be standing head and shoulders above others in support, i.e. vocally reinforcement of no additional warships allowed in the black sea before any real support came about, and then this sort of thing. Hate to be playing poker against them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,816 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I said that if we were next to russia,I'd be in favor of us joining NATO.

    You then said that only until my kids went to war.

    Let's look at that. You didn't address the actual point. You made a comment implying that I was gung ho about joining NATO and would chicken out as soon as my kids went to war. You avoided talking about why I'd be in favor of NATO. And rather you decided to insult me.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,913 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    That seems somewhat contradictory logic.

    If a country next to Russia requires the benefits of collective security, then that security pretty much has to come from countries that are not countries right next to Russia which have chosen to help out. They understand that those border countries have as much right to self determination as anyone else, and will help them achieve it. The US and Canada are even further away from Estonia than Ireland, yet they have committed by treaty to aid. Face it, they don’t need the help of Latvia for their own security, what’s in it for them which isn’t in it for Ireland? Why should the calculation on the merits to Ireland of a stable, economic Europe guaranteed by NATO change just because the direct military need is seen as less pressing? How does that apply to Iceland, which can’t even provide military aid to Latvia, but, by virtue of their location off the edge of the continent and surrounded by water understands that just use of their land and water can provide benefit to those treaty countries?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,816 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Even for what we need right now we have terrible capabilities. We need to be able to interdict and escort planes and we need a solid navy to patrol our waters. As far as defense goes, we'd be pretty fecked if a major power decided to invade. To get the capability to fight a pitched battle would be impossible but we can prepare for a more asymmetrical type of warfare (which I believe they train for now). And of course our peacekeepers should be the best euiped in the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    if anyone can recognize a Nazi its him, even entertaining the idea gives Putin justification for what he's been doing, Azovstal really possibly the new Fourth Reich?

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,591 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Peace and complete withdrawal, not ceasefire. And why do you need to call putin to say that, do you need his approval?

    Did he admit that the claim that there's nazis in Ukraine is false?

    And what did he say? Did he approve, or did he told you to idi na hui?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,323 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Interceptors are fantasically expensive to buy operate and maintain. A waste of money and resources imho and more for show than go. On the other hand ground to air missiles, drones, mines, and anti tank weapons and even IEDS while not exactly cheap are a lot cheaper and have more impact and render an airspace and ground war a right pain in the arse for an atacker, as Russia has found out. Gaining air superiority is easy when dealing with hill farmers with AK47's, not so easy when dealing with a 21st century military with weapons like the above, as Russia has found out. If we're going to tool up that's where the money and resources should go.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,546 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Sure they do. Here's one example: "I will be delighted when Ukrainians have advanced past their current positions and repelled the invaders back to Russia"!



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