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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭Beanybabog


    I've only come back on boards today but finding this discussion interesting... I'm Irish,.living in Belgium, and signed up here. Acknowledged my reply and then nothing, until one day out of the blue can you host a family today. No police vetting (they only had an email offer from me), no check of my house, and on the other end no info for me (I had to ask for names and kids ages). I know it's a crisis but I suppose I expected some checks on both sides..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,354 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    Likewise, I'm sure there are unsavoury characters entering this country. Ukrainans aren't saints either!

    While vetting may be hard or even impossible, entering entrants into the country with at least fingerprints so they can be run through a database shouldn't be beyond the bounds of possibilities. As it stands, anyone with a Ukrainian ID is free to mingle here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    While the vast majority are probably lovely people of course you will get some unsavoury people .Already the charity shops for free items for Ukrainians have noticed that the same people are coming in and filling their bags with items . A few of the shops now asking that only people who arrived in the last month can come in . Apparently all the donated shampoo , shower gel etc was being taken by the same people on a daily bases . We have Irish chancers and of course Ukrainian chancers too . A real shame for those in real need .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,354 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    Ukraine male on liveline saying he was housed in Travel lodge in Castleknock. Got a job, kids started in school, college place, and moved overnight to apartment in Youghal. He offered to pay to stay til he could sort his own accomodation out, but was told to go, they'd get guards and immigration if he wanted to stay. He said the apartment in Youghal was suitable for those who don't want to work and take from the state, he wants to work. Wtf are the government at, happy to throw social welfare at people but nothing practical as regards to helping them set up independently.



  • Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    @iamwhoiam where’s your property located. Anywhere near the person described in the above post?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,502 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    College places… the fûck we doing offering them college places ? They are here to receive asylum.. ie. PROTECTION …. Say a law degree… someone here has to miss out on a place on that course and in time there is no guarantee that the Ukrainian won’t return to the Ukraine… us the taxpayers have enabled them with an education worth tens of thousands of euros minimum…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,354 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    He's a qualified phycologist and needs an MA to practice here, got a free course apparently.

    I get you with the college education though. I'll have my second kid fighting for a place in the cao this summer. Paying €6k pa.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,502 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    You’d have to wonder about the mindset of that kid and his family too… “ they give us hundreds of euros every week, free travel, free healthcare, free accommodation… sure they could throw in a bit of free education too , a Masters no less….now where is the phone, I’ll ask “ 🥸

    they applied for it, the offer didn’t come down the chimney.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    You left out the bit about were he arrived from, so let me help

    MIAMI 😳

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Precisely, I listened intently to the entire show, it was nauseating, this chap was in Miami on holidays with his Kids and somehow managed to detour back to Ireland, ended up in a travel lodge with kids, them offered an apartment in Youghal, the story stunk to high heaven and of course the question wasn't asked, how did he arrive here from Miami. I also have my suspicions on his qualifications.

    This country has lost the plot all together

    I should add a caller from wexford (widower) called in , had pledged accommodation with red Cross, like many other callers, heard nothing back and is now offering this individual accommodation

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,354 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    Yeah, ya got me!😬

    He was in work in Miami, war broke out, wife fled with kids, he flew into Dublin. Friends told him about how they loved Ireland so that's why they came ...but the friends mustn't have been great because they ended up in state shelter...

    Not short of a few bob I'd say, if he was willing to pay the going rates in the Travel lodge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    His story, I'm afraid reeks, I don't believe a word of it.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,502 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Yes, the plot is absolutely lost…The lunatics are running the asylum is a particularly apt description of what’s going on as opposed to just an aphorism or colloquialism.

    mad..

    Martin, Varadkar, McEntee, Coveney, McGrath, O’Brien, Humphries, Ryan et al…. Not a fûckin jot of interest in the wellbeing of Ireland and prioritizing and fighting for the priority of wellbeing for and of Irish citizens and taxpayers… zilch, nada.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I've still to hear if a single one of them has taken in a refugee or their families.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Agreed, but the political class can only get away with it with some level of support. If you take boards alone as an example, no matter how stupid some state policies are, there's an army of equally stupid people willing to defend them. A very compliant media class who will never question them about anything only makes the problem worse.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I'm not sure what people's thoughts are on the decision of a mayo based charity to take it upon themselves to fly in over 100 refugees, most of whom were unaccompanied children without informing any government department. Then articles appeared focusing on delays in processing at Dublin Airport, the actual reason was Tulsa having to scramble staff to document all the children and insure safe guarding was put in place. Roger O Gorman was careful in his words but was not pleased.

    They flew in on a Ryan Air flight, presumably MOL didn't sponsor the trip. These refugees now in a hotel in Mayo.

    No one would object to rescuing vunerable children but this is no way to be acting, charity founder claimed secrecy was required but at a minimum, Irish authorities should have been informed, seems to me to be incredibly irresponsible and God knows were these children will now end up.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Absolute Zero




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So they got the most vulnerable out of a warzone?

    Fair play to him.

    Also nice to see a state organisation scramble for once.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Absolute Zero


    Nice bit of child trafficking there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I'd expect such a response from you, so you think its appropriate to fly out unaccompanied children with no plan or understanding of long term needs, albeit I suspect the charity founder knew full well the state could hardly say no.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I don't honestly know what possessed the charity to do this, the founder is apparently Ukranian, has lived here a number of years. I don't object to rescuing vulnerable children but this operation seems was clearly planned and coordinated, flights and coaches arranged and not a word about it to government agencies, I can only assume Ukranian Authorities were not informed either, very, very troubling.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Why would the state say no?

    Absolutely no different then the countless other charities who have travelled to pick up refugees.

    I'm struggling to see why you are trying to put nothing but a negative spin on rescuing a group of the most vulnerable from a warzone? These particular children even more so considering they lived around Chernobyl which in case you missed it has been drastically disturbed by Putins simpletons lately.

    Seriously why has this particular act of supreme kindness upset you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    So let's analyse this.

    A Charity (I've never heard of) decides to arrange an airlift of 90 unaccompanied children without informing the Irish Authorities and I'm guessing Ukranian Authorities and you think that's perfectly acceptable.

    Did these children have identification, Where are the parents, where are these children going to end up, who actually financed this operation.

    These are not just children who will end up perhaps in Foster homes, some may require long term care. Some might likely end up in state care. Who will be caring for them in the interim. An awful lot of unanswered questions including the Charity knowing full well these children will likely end up in hotel accommodation.

    Your entitled to your opinion as am I and what has occurred seems grossly irresponsible, bordering on Disturbing.

    Do you think Adi Roche or other charities just pop over to Belarus or Ukraine and pick up children and bring them over here without going through official channels 🤔

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,890 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Apparently 20k looking for rentals and 1k available on daft. Some of you might consider taking in Irish refugees trying to escape their own tyrannical government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I have no idea, why don't you contact and ask them? Maybe volunteer.

    I imagine they will be treated with the upmost compassion and respect by the local community, whatever your fears are about this particular group, trying to put a complete negative on rescuing children from a radioactive warzone is truly bizarre. 😏



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,565 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The State should have full control over the housing of refugees.

    We've already seen the government u turning on paying people who house Ukrainians. It will be a matter of time before the Red Cross is dropped.

    We should follow the example of the UK in regard to this. As they have decades of experience of large waves of immigration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3


    Maybe if the friend read boards or other forums they will realise they are not wanted here by the majority of people. Regardless of how nice we are, I presume they mean nice as in getting stuff for free.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Even if it was near I wouldn’t take him !! There are far too many deserving cases waiting .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Actually I completely disagree with you on this . No one should be going to Ukraine and bringing 100 children here without going through the proper channels . Its completely wrong and shouldn’t be condoned for one minute . It was irresponsible and foolish



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