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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭Fiyatoe


    Yeah, although a lot of people on LinkedIn seem to be working remote for years, suits some I guess.


    I think even if I were going to a local work hub type place that isn’t my company’s office I’d be grand, just mixing with people in general



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,727 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    28 is the time of your life to make the big moves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭Fiyatoe


    agreed! id imagine it's way more complicated with children



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭sheroman01


    I get how you're feeling. It sounds perhaps that you're mostly feeling a bit "guilty" for not being busy in work, despite asking for more work and being a good worker. But I would say there's nothing to be guilty or feel bad about. The company seem happy with you, so why not enjoy being not too stressed and being able to relax most days a week. I'm a hard worker in my job but I also appreciate my mental health and appreciate the days where I'm not overwhelmed with work.

    I would say push for a raise in your current role. At least it'll take the money aspect out of your decision to move. Then could you ask to change your working hours (start earlier, or later), or work 4 days a week? Or ask for more holidays? Maybe you can then make the most of your free time and go on more holidays with your other half or mates. Make the most of the time you're free!

    And for the days you're working from home, could you perhaps work from a cafe or library? I find it really helps shakes things up, even if it's just a 1/2 day a week.



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Mara Loose Punch


    Yes of course, but it is disastrous for some individuals who fall badly into addiction when left with 24 hours opportunity mostly on their own. I’ve heard of a number of cases that arose over the pandemic, and keep hearing of more that have arisen. One way or another it is extremely important to get breaks away from own environment that involve not-strictly work-related interaction. Most of us are not content to be hermits, and being with a spouse, partner, kids, house mate, or sibling etc most if the hours nearly every day could drive a person to be resentful if it is done not out of choice where other options are available.

    That’s a bit off topic, but OP does seem to be finding the monotony/isolation is getting to them, so it is a big factor in their decision and is also something that many people would find themselves having to take into account. Having an absorbing and completely different hobby that you do in participation with different people can be a good compromise.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,727 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    Complications yes. But also youth give you time to recover from mistake and take risks that you won't want to later. Without without kids.

    Though Kids can make it hard to be that mobile that adaptable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,727 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    I've always worked better when I've had like minded people to bounce off. Doesn't have to be all the time.

    That said you can be in office surrounded by people and no one to bounce ideas of. Then it doesn't matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭Fiyatoe


    Thanks for that, comforting to be able to relate that someone else has felt the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭Fiyatoe




  • Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Adrienne Careful Historian


    I replied earlier in the thread saying you should keep the well paid handy job but you know what, this is spot on. When I was 27/28 I went a totally different way with my career and it is the best thing I ever did.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭sheroman01


    In life, not work! If you can make a decent wage, and not have to kill yourself each day working, then go for it! Use your time to enjoy life - go travelling, whether it's in Ireland or abroad, work from abroad even. Take up a new hobby, or put more hours into one you already love.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭Fiyatoe


    I think I’ve come to the conclusion I’ll give it a lash and if it’s a disaster I’ll try and revert back into the same position in this firm!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭Fiyatoe


    Thanks for all advice folks. Handed in notice to current firm, they tried to offer me a more interesting position and my director and line manager wanted to stage a call for today. Didn’t mention anything about money though. Why do companies only care all of a sudden when you’re leaving?

    I communicated that i wasnt doing enough for 6 months now and it fell on deaf ears, felt like they were happy to just get a fee for me from the client.


    nervous about the new role in big4 but I’ll give it a go and start in June. I hate the thought of having to do a bit of job hopping again to find the right firm if it doesn’t work out as my current firm was the first one I was comfortable in for a long time and I didn’t dread Sunday nights



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Best of luck OP. Just a few thoughts and snippets that may be of interest (albeit a bit late!). Don’t work in Big 4 but know a tonne who do. Below is recentish salary scale on audit side (generally poorly paid so you can probably add a bit, but gives you a sense of relativities).

    Associate Director (1) - 82k + 15k bonus

    AD (2) - 84k + 20k bonus

    Director (1) - 93k + 20/25k bonus

    Director (2) - 100k + 30k bonus

    (Title names can be slightly different from company to company)

    pensions are typically age related. Non existent before 30. Excellent after.

    After the above you’re into salaried partner and equity partners which is when real money comes into it.

    From everything I know, in the big 4, you fit into one of two boats.

    A) acquiring a skill set which makes you incredibly attractive to senior industry roles at which point you exit.

    B) pushing hell for leather for partnership.

    Relative to the work, the pay is pretty poor throughout until partnership, so it makes no sense to hang around the middle management tiers long term. From your previous posts I don’t get the vibe you’re a sacrifice it all for partnership kinda guy. So get in there, work hard, build up a skill set and then move back into a senior industry role in a few years on better money with better work life balance! Good luck!

    Also, a previous post mentioned shares as part of big 4 Comp. All big 4 are private partnerships so I have never heard of anyone being awarded ‘shares’…as there are none to award. Would take this with pinch of salt. Big 4 are remarkably uniform and strict with their packages. You don’t get people negotiating out of the ordinary comp until very senior positions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭Fiyatoe


    very interesting to hear that thanks.


    when you say move back to a senior industry role after a year or two, is this back to their own industry? I’m moving from construction/cost consultancy into big4 Tax/Real Estate, so without any accounting or tax qualifications I’d imagine I’d be pretty niche in the firm and probably couldn’t go much further / diversify across it with no financial industry background!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭squigglestrebor


    Best of luck in the new role , hope it works out. 28 is the time to take a chance. Well done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,569 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    you dont have to take the job you have been offered but you should move, obviously you want to progress and get more out of your career, being bored at 29 is only going to go one way. you need a certain amount of challenge and stress (not too much obviously) to get the best out of yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,569 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    you should be getting paid more. (assuming the first 3.5 of those 7 years werent as a grad)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,727 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    To make money quickly you have to be mercenary and move often. Loyalty and being passive rarely rewards as much as going getting.

    While it doesn't work out for everyone, you'll make more money working for yourself than for someone else. But you'll work harder for it.

    28 is the age to suck it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,569 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    or at least make it know that you are more than happy to move...

    but i agree being passive gets your nowhere.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,727 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Some places will unprompted reward you with advancement and rewards, wages, bonuses, options etc. Those place are interested in retention. Other places will always require cajoling, or cap in hand. I think those places aren't interested in retention. Especially if they make miserly counter offers.

    At some point you have to make the leap. I've both regretted doing it, but I've regretted not doing it more often.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Own industry is usually easier but I’m financial services so won’t profess to be an expert in your particular area. I’ve met and worked with COO’s and even a few CFOs without any formal professional qualification and very broad, non specific experiences. At a certain point you become a strategic thinker/problem solver/people manager rather than a ‘qualified X or Y’.

    The Big 4 and consultancy generally is a great place to learn those skills and no doubt you’ll be very attractive to a host of companies in future if you succeed.

    I see now I said a ‘a few years’ in my post. But probably talking certainly 3+ rather than 1-2. Either way, as others have alluded to, 20s is way too young to be stagnating so you’ve made the right call. I’d be almost certain you won’t regret making a move - but that leap of faith is often hard to take so well done for doing so!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭Xidu


    No I wasn’t a grad. My yearly package is around 145k is that fair? Am 43yr.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭squigglestrebor


    Whats the shares thing? Thought they are all partnerships.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,569 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    If you are getting an annual 145k thats probably around right, but i am surprised as the element of discretionary pay (basic seems low).

    I dont understand the share scheme, its not something i came across in my experience in a big 4 firm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,727 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    IT companies often have shares and share options. Time locked so you can't sell them until after a certain time. Leave early and you lose them. I'm not sure thats what you're asking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,569 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    i think the posters definition of big 4 must be different to the commonly accepted definition of the big 4 accounting firms, who dont have share schemes that i am aware of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭Fiyatoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭Fiyatoe


    Yeah I wasn’t aware of any share scheme when interviewing / receiving offer


    maybe different in other big4 though


    but then senior manager isn’t director or partner so it may not be entitled


    the no pension til 30 was a strange one! I’m thinking of putting away whatever it is - 5% of salary monthly into something else until I’m 30. Any recommendations?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,569 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    I don’t believe a share scheme is a thing at any level bar equity partner where it equates to the same thing .


    the pension thing is pretty standard for them although most companies don’t discriminate on age any more.


    you could set your own prsa up if you wanted to.



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