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Ozark [Netflix] (***SPOILERS***)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,099 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Only got around to finishing this yesterday, very good show one of Netflix's best. Do agree that the last season the storyline started to unravel. It's good that it's finished and they're not trying to force it too much.

    Final episode a little disappointing, sad to see Ruth finally get the bullet but I think she knew what was coming. Byrds get away scot free but alot of mental trauma built up and everyone around them either dead or ruined.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Thecageyone



    Well i guess no need for spoilers then ^^


    I thought the ending was crap tbh, this season started out strong then just took a nose dive and never recovered. I don't know how anyone could be satisfied overall, it was a very good show, ruined by this 4th season



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I really enjoyed the entirety of the last season but the actual finale, particularly the last few minutes, was incredibly unsatisfying and weak. Way, way too clean.

    I am surprised and disappointed they fumbled it so much at the finish line.

    Amazing show with a weak finale.

    Would have instantly been way better if that final scene was Rachel and she shot Marty and Wendy. Or if Ruth had told Camila that Wendy was the one that drew in Javi before being shot and you know their happy ending, unknowns to them, would be very short-lived.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,227 ✭✭✭jj880


    Yeah I thought last season was good but ending was poor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,699 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    How Marty or the wife werent tortured and killed is a cop out. One of them should have turned on the other. It should have been a dark ending.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    When I watched the last episode of the Sapranos I was disappointed that Tony was the one left standing, smiling and happy. Now I look at it and think it was masterful and would have been cliched if the villain got his comeuppance, it would have been to predictable. I think Ozark was the same, we all expect them to reap what they sowed, but in life we don’t all get what we deserve. Great ending.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,964 ✭✭✭Andrea B.


    Jumping the shark with respect to Marty managing the cartel. Whether it was his acting or the role, the duration was cringey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,099 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Any idea why in the scene with the prison van why the guard shot the driver also?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Because he wasn't in on the hit carried out by the crooked officer. He was just an innocent officer caught up in it hence had to die.

    I don't think that's really much of a comparison. The level of adversity facing Tony was relatively realistic and grounded throughout, and that's putting aside the fact that the ending is ambiguous at best, but heavily implying that he gets whacked at the end anyway.

    In Ozark, the Byrdes come up against ridiculously far-fetched adversity from about 10 different directions per season.

    It's entirely correct to say that in real life, we don't get the end or story we want. However, Ozark is so far removed from reality I don't think it's much of an observation, nor does it really hold that much water.

    Even the final scene is unbelievably lazy.

    A PI renowned for his incredible skills as both an investigator and a cop breaks in and retrieves Bens ashes.....and then against all logic decides to sit and wait at the scene, ashes in hand, to confront the Byrdes and put himself directly in harms way.

    The more I think about it the more I'm actually disgusted with how bad and how much of a cop-out the finale was. Breaking Bad is an example of how to do an ending to a show of that type. It's not about who lives or who dies - it's about providing fitting ends in a credible and convincing, well supported way.

    Ozark didn't do that. Not even close. None of it felt credible or earned.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 373 ✭✭markw7


    Couldn't agree more with this post. Also interesting that nowadays its a safe bet the ending to popular shows will be shite/make no sense.

    The many alternative endings posted on the internet by fans are better and more credible than what the writers can come up with - which is mental when you think about it.

    Is it a case of 'lets write an ending that will please everyone', which ends up pissing almost everyone off🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,227 ✭✭✭jj880


    Interesting take on the ending.

    Even if I liked this ending and its meaning the execution of it was pants. If you are going to leave an ending even a little bit open ended or not show who gets / doesn't get what they deserve it better be good. This felt like they ran out of ideas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Thecageyone


    It had to look like Omar tried a hit and run escape, that's also why he gave Omar the gun before telling him to run - so his prints would be all over it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 796 ✭✭✭MICKEYG


    Why would the FBI allow a police officer be shot?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    The Byrdes never directly killed anyone. Why would Mel think they would start with him? I don't see anything wrong with that scene



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Thecageyone


    It was nothing to do with the FBI, his sister was behind it no?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,107 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Have to say i liked the ending, obviously the show is far fetched in many respects but I'm pleased there wasn't a big pay off where they get their just deserts, that would have been too easy. At the end of the day, Wendy and Marty have never been anything but self serving scumbags that stepped on anyone who they considered expendable.

    This isn't a happy ending, Ruth was about the only one throughout the show that had a good heart and she ends up getting screwed over, just like everyone that has dealings with the Byrdes.

    It was a brave move ending like that imo as people can't handle an ambiguous / "bad" ending.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Ruth wasn't screwed over. She sealed her faith in Shaws office. She was warned over and over not to do it yet she did it anyway knowing full well what the outcome would be



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 796 ✭✭✭MICKEYG


    But the FBI facilitated it by telling her when ans where he was being transported. I assume they also allowed her to plant her own person on the transport crew.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Thecageyone


    Yes, and I doubt they gave a second thought as to how it might go down, they were only in it for the cash-back. Some random security van driver wasn't going to concern them, he can be made to look a hero, dying in the line of duty



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    I dunno, While on first viewing I wasnt impressed majorly with the ending, I think what they were going for is to point out the corruption in the whole system, and how those with enough money can escape consequences, and ultimately, any collateral damage along the way is nothing to them, even Ruth, who I would have thought untouchable was cast aside without much musing when their back was to the wall.

    Laura Linney as Wendy bird was excellent though, I cant remember ever rooting so hard for a female lead to get killed, but alas, it was not to be. I thought her scene outside the courthouse with her father was very good, when she begged him to leave the kids with her, she turned on the tears on command and then reverted to venom again as soon as she wasn't getting her way.

    I like Jason Bateman, but his whole emotionally detatched schtick kinda wore thin for me by the end. Why anyone would stick with a tramp like Wendy is beyond me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Finally finished, and about time. Very good show, but really needed to wrap up. Only so much more I could take of Ruth and Wendy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Anyone else really think that it was Camilla that ended up dead at the end?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Sugarlumps


    Class show, superb acting all round. Sorely missed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,107 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    How are you coming to that conclusion? Ruth was obviously dead at the end, as was Omar, so who was left to kill her?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,699 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    They've obviously left it open for another season or even a prequel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    No. I meant that she would be killed. I didn’t mean Camilla dead. I had a feeling she’d be killed, not Ruth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    Funnily enough, I had thought that it was going to go a much darker route, and have the cartel Kill ruth, but have the Byrd kids caught in the crossfire as well.

    Would have certainly been a punishing ending.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    What was the point/significance of showing crash scene in first episode of part 4?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,609 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    I really enjoyed listening to Bateman on this podcast. Well worth it, although he must have been sitting in a wooden with sh1t acoustics during the interview.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,633 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    i think it was meant to be a flash forward to show them appearing to get away from the cartel and fbi etc

    well that was my take on it

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Surviving the car crash brought the Byrd family closer together again. Had there been no near death accident, it wouldn't have made sense for the boy to blow off the shotgun.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,633 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    i think wendy being honest in the hospital is what brought them close together

    be funny if jonah blasted wendy away on the black screen

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Right up to the end I had a inkling that Ben was alive, commited in a hospital somewhere sedated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Same here, as he was getting a little too much mentioning.

    Post edited by walshb on


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I thought they humanised Wendy at the end after making her the most unlikeable character up to that point. Especially as she was definitely torn up knowing that Ruth was going to die and there was nothing they could do to stop it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    I reckon Covid had a huge impact on the final season and ending.

    Great show until the last hurdle.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21 aedanknight


    Was there any significance or Ruth listening to the rap music and then speaking to the rapper in the diner? was there a reason or point to this, I didn't understand that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,633 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    Ruth quite often listens to hip hop and that was a cameo by killer mike


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭AlanG


    The FBI arranged for Two men in a Hiace to transport the leader of one of the worlds biggest drug cartels and then told the acting leader the details.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭AlanG


    I found the show entertaining but I would class it as more of a Fantasy show than a Drama or crime show. The situations and escapes are so far removed for how the real world works that it was hard to get invested in any situation as you knew that some magic want would be pulled out of the bag to save the day. The fixer guy seems to be able to get any politicians he wants to do anything to resolve major crisis but this happens off screen so we have to accept he did it. The crisis with the grandfather and the kids is resolved off screen as is the crisis with Frank Jr.

    So much is out of sync with the real world - In a rural areas of gun toting USA no one dealing with a major drug cartel seemed to have any concern for the safety of themselves or their property, no security systems, cameras or gates in most places. The mob refuse to kill anyone. A Mexican cartel let a white guy arrive down and kill a top lieutenant. The head of a cartel is transferred by two guards in a van. No cars or people have GPS tracking. The sheriff doesn't tell anyone where he is going when out on calls. Nelson tries to kill Ruth but afterwards she doen't worry about who ordered it. Brilliant cop Mel steals evidence then hangs around in the dark on their property where he can legally be shot by the kid he has seen threaten to shoot a person with a shotgun.

    The show is TV on a par with a marvel movie - entertaining & well produced but not to be taken seriously - the problem is you get the impression the writers actually want it to be taken seriously.

    Many Americans have a quasi rasist view of those who live away for the coasts or Chicago and I feel that this show was made to pander to those people as all the locals and mexicans are so easily manipulated by the smart family from Chicago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,633 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    The fbi knew and didn’t stop it but didn’t arrange it, it was the sister

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,633 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    I don’t think anyone would take the series seriously, it’s a nice escape from the real world for a while

    I think you might be over thinking the entire concept but each to their own and all that

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭Underground


    Just finished it tonight. Overall I mostly enjoyed the series but it gradually ran out of steam for me, the last few episodes were a bit of a drag and the finale in particular was botched imo, sh*te ending.

    It's draining to watch tbh because none of the Byrd's are likeable, I get that they're probably not supposed to be but that still gets tiresome after a while. The Sopranos was full of murdering mobsters yet the characters were still likeable in their own way. Not the case here. Marty, Jonah, Charlotte and (especially) Wendy, not a single redeemable characteristic between them.

    Disappointed the Byrd's and in particular Wendy, didn't get their comeuppance. Seems a total cop out. Ruth was the only one of the main cast who seemed to be the most decent at heart and deserved a happy ending. I never liked the Byrd son throughout the entirety of the series, I just thought he was a poor character /badly acted, so for the show to end with another one of his moments, ugh.


    Also, Camilla, what the hell was this character? She spoke in a normal voice in her first few scenes when Marty is in Mexico running the show in Omar's absence. Then the veil is lifted and Camilla is revealed as the big villain, and all of a sudden she speaks on this raspy, almost Batman like voice? It was irritating to watch and the actor did a terrible job, it was jarring.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Swaine


    Couldn't get my head around the fact Ruth got out of her car with no gun knowing full well she was in some sort of danger. Lazy writing.

    Pretty crap end to a great show.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The true victim of the whole series has got to be Three Langmore! He lost literally his entire family and he did feck all to deserve it!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,382 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    I had no clue about that rapper. But the final song she was listening to is a hugely respected song from the early 90s, reminiscing over a friend who died. I thought it was a great choice.

    They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Reminisce_Over_You_(T.R.O.Y.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6mdRv0ZdR8



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    The ending for me was open ended as in who did Jonah actually shoot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,633 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    😁

    It certainly leaves it open to a further series.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,982 ✭✭✭Degag


    Just finished this last night.

    Disappointing final season and ending.

    One minute Navarro wants Marty/Wendy dead. 10 mins later they pull something out of the bag and they’re friends again. This cycle pretty much continues every half hour for the whole series.

    And the car crash…. One of the most silly things i’ve seen on a tv show. It’s like the writers wanted to be smart by having a flashforward scene in the first episode but then got to the final episode and realising they couldn’t fit it into the story but had to do it anyway.

    I mean it contributed nothing and they all walked away from a fairly serious crash with NO injury. Got a taxi home ffs.

    And no other car stopped to see if they were ok on a busy motorway



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