Did the lockdown policy cause the surge of hepatitis cases among children?

It's a bit of a jump, considering that Adenovirus has only been identified in some of these hepatitis cases. They're calling it "probable", but I wouldn't pre-empt the outcome.

Anyway, yes, the health consequences were noted and called out early on in lockdowns, and it's why the WHO specifically called lockdowns a measure of last resort.

The incidences of hepatitis are still very small, very far from the freaking out stage. Severe cases even rarer still.

Like with covid, the severe cases obviously bubble up faster. As they get a better grip on this, they'll develop quicker ways of identifying and classifying this. We'll likely discover that as a % of total cases, the number of severe outcomes is very low.

Nevertheless, we still have to keep this in perspective. In a given year, the odds of a child dying from cancer is between 1 in 500k to 1 in 300k. The odds of a child dying from septicaemia, around 1 in a million. Which means by implication that the number of children suffering with these conditions and surviving and needed critical treatments, like surgery and transplants, is much higher.

Based on the data we have right now, the odds of dying from this hepatitis is 1 in 3 million or less. It will probably increase as we get a better grip on it, but it is very, very far away from the panic stage.

Such emotive language, " shaming the unvaxxed " and " hysteria " . Appears a lot in your posts ..

The " unvaxxed" when Delta was the main variant , were multiple times more likely to be infected and 11 times more likely to be hospitalised and 15 times to become severely ill , despite you stating the opposite whenever you get the opportunity.

That would be across the age groups by the way , not just elderly .

Any accusations of " shaming" as you put it , were highest when anybody dared to mention the above , and the fact that exceeding high numbers of the unvaccinated were being hospitalised and needing ICU care , despite being their being a small proportion of the total adult population .

Do you not think it would have been remiss of health care professionals and public health to point out this glaringly, obvious fact , or would you prefer we all stfu and leave " the unvaxxed " to their fate , despite the effects on the rest of the population in the form of continuing restrictions? No need to answer that , I already know you have no regard for what is factual data for most people.

To get back to the point of the thread ....This burst of hepatitis infections has not been either connected with Covid , or adenovirus as yet never mind lockdowns, and may in fact be something connected with all of the above or just coincidental ..who knows ? We will have to wait and see .

Except in all these cases the children tested negative for all hepatitis viruses - it was not the usual causes of hepatitis that did this, otherwise it would have been a regular occurrence because those viruses never really went away proper, nor were children exposed to them in any unusual way. The last 2 years of pandemic are the unusual factor in this cluster of cases, which suggests something to do with pandemic or pandemic response is to blame.

Which would mean that lockdown policy has created this surge of hepatitis cases among children

Adenoviruses don't usually cause hepatitis though even in a young child who has not been infected with them before .

And they have not yet found a source virus although adenovirus is present in a good number of cases .

No proof yet as to the cause . Saying it is due to the pandemic is probable but not definite . Saying it us due to lockdown is too simplistic.

Some of the children affected are older and would have been mixing with other children in school / afterschool .

One area that is being investigated is an overreaction of the immune system causing autoimmune hepatitis which can present similarly .

Not related to Covid . Nor have they been vaccinated .

There would be a number of specific antibodies present in a diagnosis of AIH ( Auto immune induced hepatitis) and the jury is out as yet whether it is this , or a post viral infection reaction .

It could be that these children are reacting to previously common viral infections in a very exaggerated way but Misc- C was picked up quickly and is rare , so why would this be so difficult to diagnose?

Read an interesting article about it that said that there was a similar affect noted post 1918 flu epidemic ...lot of cases of jaundice in children . In the Telegraph . Doesn't go into further detail .

It's a mystery and not a nice one .

Have to say that while one of mine has developed an autoimmune disease post Covid infection , it could be as you and others have said lack of immunity post restrictions .

Don't know what it is , but don't feel comfortable talking about it anymore after that news today 😑

Take care x

I’m no expert but I do not think that this is to do with lockdown at all. I wonder did those kids contract covid and this could be a rare side effect. Remember that cohort under 5 are not vaccinated. It’s only my thinking but there’s more to this than adenovirus.

Eh , think that the person thinking in black and white is you AD .

That post was over 2 weeks ago .... do you understand context ?

The BBC link from today specifically states that UK researchers have ruled out covid and covid vaccines as a mechanism

They are associating an adeno-associated virus together with an adeno or herpes virus with this acute hepatitis outbreak in small kids.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.07.19.22277425v1.full.pdf

Looks like a co-infection of two viruses is required for this to happen. Since it is happening only for young kids, one hypothesis could be that they did not develop immunity to those viruses as their exposure to them was delayed by the measures that were taken to deal with covid, especially lockdowns. Now they have to deal with multiple viral infections at the same time without prior immunity to many of them.

And just prior to that it is also stated:

There is a larger picture to be considered as well. In many 3rd world countries due to lockdown measures kids have not received their regular vaccines yet. Those routine vaccines that are to protect them from all those devastating but preventable diseases associated with an early stage childhood were simply not administered in time. There is a serious concern out there that mortality of kids under 5 years of age will hit levels that have not been seen in decades.

It is sad to see these secondary and third level effects of 'dealing with covid' policies unfolding in front of our eyes. As I have been saying this since 2020, it is the kids and young people who will pay the greatest price for this. No doubt about it.

There are parents not bringing their children for regular vaccinations because of antivax sentiment over Covid vaccines.

Maybe it's time to ask these people how they feel about children not being protected against ordinary childhood illnesses , not to mention Covid ?

There is a good correlation between adeno-associated virus + adeno or herpes virus be the cause of the hepatitis. There is also a genetic factor which would suggest that about 15% of people would be at risk if infected with such.

There is another interesting thing going on in the background that many are not aware of. The excess deaths.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Excess_mortality_-_statistics#Excess_mortality_in_the_EU_between_January_2020_and_May_2022

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/8/8c/Tab01_Excess_Mortality_2022_May.png

They have spotted this in UK and are conducting a thorough investigation into the cause. As these are not due to covid, one hypothesis is that this is due to a lack of care (no access or delayed access to healthcare). Another is that it is to do with the vaccines as they seem to be thinking that time intervals (12-14 weeks) between the vaccine rollouts in various cohorts correlate with excess deaths in those cohorts would suggest that. All vaccinated cohorts appear to be affected. Very strange.

Here in Ireland we have had +19% and +13% excess deaths over the last two months. Surely that cannot be due to covid at this point.

More and more parents were refusing to vaccinate their children long before covid. The vaccines causes autism lie really accelerated that pattern. I found that it was the highly educated middle classes that really turned against vaccines. The same sorts of people who think acupuncture and homeopathy are real treatments.

Trying to push the covid vaccine on children was a terrible idea, especially as it raged through the schools and pretty much every child in Ireland was exposed with extremely low effects on the healthy.