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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,466 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    We can take from that speech that he is unable to fully mobilise the general population or does not have the ability to increase his armed forces/equipment.

    All paths lead to Russian defeat.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,816 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I've heard a lot about how it would be an incredibly unpopular move in Russia.

    I did wonder though, if the ukrainians make advances, and those advances end up taking back large chunks of the LPR and DPR or Crimea, would the mood in Russia swing? Could he declare war then? To get that far there would have to be major russian losses which would also affect the opinions of the Russian people and probably make it more unpopular but I'm not sure.



  • Posts: 8,853 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We may have to wait for the 500 million a day being paid by the west for oil and gas to reduce considerably for that to happen - not sure how quickly that figure will reduce down or the timelines for eliminating Russian gas to the west but without this significant flow of income into the Russian govt Putin will be screwed- starving Russians and an unpaid police force will be a lot more problematic for him than a few million feisty Ukrainians - losing the ability to purchase a Ferrari might hurt his oligarch friends but not being able to buy food and your govt salary stopped will create delicious mayhem



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,057 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If he hasn't got the tools, he's not got the tools. Conventionally speaking, anyway. The only concern would be that if Ukrainian forces could push into Crimea and/or LNR/DNR, then Putin maybe would say that sovereign Russian territory (by a very unilateral definition) is being invaded, and that's the pretext Russia uses for a chemical or nuclear weapon to be deployed.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    That's the Russian line and widely believed by Russians and their sympathisers. NATO is the "other", the "enemy", the West the "great satan" and they were both using Ukraine and supporting her "fascists" to goad Russia. Even if you point out that if Russia hadn't invaded tens of thousands wouldn't be dead, the response is either "the evil bastards deserve it", or Russia did it now to prevent millions dying in the future. Complete lalaland.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Mobilisation in Russia would have been an own goal as discipline is so poor in the Russian army that he could have ended up with a civil war. Corruption is going to be Putin's downfall which is ironic when one thinks about it.

    Post edited by nigeldaniel on

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    From a few conversations I've had down the years with Russians(and other former Soviet bloc people still friendly with Moscow) I can confirm they have near zero clue about this aspect of WW2 and get fidgety if it's mentioned. I would contend all sides in that conflict have their own narrative, their own fairy stories and they resonate even today, but the Russian fairy story is about the most surreal and by some margin.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    This is the key in reality. Bear in mind that Putin has a massive internal security apparatus that keeps the population in check. I've seen the number of around 2 million men being quoted for internal security which doesn't surprise me. If you look at any of the recent protests the "police" outnumber the protesters by a factor of 2-1 or even 3-1. If those lads pay packets aren't fulfilled then its game over for the regime. The EU needs to be ensuring that we hit the tipping point of covering the costs of the invasion misadventure ASAP. I understand that trying to get 27 nations to agree on a policy and put it into action is tough but being decisive with this is best way of stopping Russia apart from a Ukrainian victory (or with a Ukrainian Victory).

    Also Putins not going to call up a mobilisation yet. The Russians aren't ready for it, todays speech was creating the platform maybe to float it in a few weeks. I'm sure that the TV need to be pushing this idea for a while so the proles get used to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Can't even get Air Superiority over Moscow, lame.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    You've just reminded me of a glorious newspaper typo many years ago in which the headline said that the Ayatollah Khomeini had been loud in his condemnation of..."The Great Stan".


    A little unfair, I thought.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They'd have done it already. The only statement they've actually made is, 'We are Merde!'



  • Posts: 8,853 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The adverse weather appears to be a red herring excuse. Could it be that the aircraft are unsafe and in need of spare parts and expert servicing which cannot be obtained due to restrictions? (I’m hoping that’s the reason but just guessing here)



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Though easy, it's a mistake to assume stupidity. The vast majority of people in any society conform to the cultural, moral and historical narratives of that society. Those who don't are in the minority. And those tales start in the crib. Russia, a near medieval feudal theocratic empire until the 20th century, which was dragged into that century by the Revolution. A revolution that started out with good intentions, as revolutions will, but ended up with their own fedual state where thought was controlled from the crib. Then that fell, chaos reigned and was replaced with more of the same feudalism and thought control from the crib. That they buy into stories from above is not such a surprise.

    Fifty years ago we were a theocratic state, one of the poorest in Europe, with extremely socially conservative views where being Gay was a crime, rubber johnnies were illegal and "unmarried mothers" were hidden away in homes or were leaving dead newborns on Kerry beaches. Today we're almost the complete opposite of that. Our IQ's didn't magically go up.

    History has shown us if you have even some control of the narrative, tweak the human need for stability and easy memes and give people enough "bread and circuses" and point to The Other that may take all that from them it's remarkably easy to shape public opinion, feelings and beliefs for the positive or the negative.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,796 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I suspect that the ones they have that are operational are all on the Eastern Front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo



    And the useful Russian idiots are off again

    Russian nukes could destroy Nato countries 'in half an hour', warns Kremlin space boss

    With some of the same on social media now claiming the time for the new world order is upon us

    Well that is after the Russians nuke the planet. Sounds like a great future lads 👍



  • Posts: 8,853 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    While I agree in theory, the reality is parading a Russian flag up and down o Connell st or the M4 is not illegal - I would argue though that placing a Z on the side of your car whilst doing this, is.

    I notice that the Russians are hiding in their cars whilst attending such “demonstrations”-fcking cowards the lot of them - I’d like to see them trying to walk down O’’Connell st - if the place is as bad as the media and guards say it is, in terms of crime, scrotes and drug addicts, they might meet their match 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,466 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    That's for a ceasefire position. If Russia agrees to fall back to that position then Ukraine will concede and everyone can stop shooting each other.


    If Russia don't stop fighting though, and Ukraine manages to start pushing back, there is no reason to think they would stop at the 24th February positions if there was a chance to retake back to the internationally recognised borders. Ukraine would still have NATO support until it reached those lines, and Russia isn't having any sanctions lifted for decades in even the best case scenario for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Cultural diversity, is it actually illegal and is it different to say the Igbo protesting?


    That's a genuine question.


    Lest anyone not know I think we should give every weapon we have to Ukraine and cut gas immediately and every Russian soldier in the Ukraine should be sent home wrapped.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They keep forgetting NATO have the worlds largest nuclear arsenal and have 500-600 warheads pointing towards every corner of Russia at any time,and from submarines thats closer to Russia.

    One missile launch from Russia and its end of days for Russia and us all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 109 ✭✭Ceramic


    Just to summarise the content and tone of Putin's speech this morning.

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    It was a bit less bellicose than I was expecting but still hasn't moved on at all from "it's all everyone is else's fault!" "How dare they exist!" type arguments.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'd say they'd fear one being shot out of the sky live on TV by an advanced Ukrainian with the right tech.



  • Posts: 8,853 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I didn’t say cultural diversity was illegal- in fact I said the opposite.

    I have the “right” to fly a Russian flag out my window right now, if I felt the urge- there’s nothing illegal about doing that.

    But a “Z” on the side of your car, coupled with a Russian flag flying out the window, is in my view, an incitement to hatred which is illegal - and the people who do this deserve what they get.

    But even the Russian convoys we’ve seen in recent times on the M50 and the M4 at the weekend are insensitive and are deliberately provoking so if some of these people met with some violence, even though that would be illegal, I wouldn’t be shedding any tears



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,466 ✭✭✭zv2


    A list of fires in Russia 2022 Russian mystery fires - Wikipedia

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    All Russian Artillery troops, 'Tonight Matthew I'm going to be ... lit up like the 4th of July'. *applause from audience*



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    What always cracks me up is they say this ****, but conveniently leave out that the resultant barrage back in the opposite direction would erase Russia from the history books.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,020 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,020 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Keep them coming. Also more of those loitering drones, absolute game-changers




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