Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Doesn't address one point the poster makes but instead it's your ilk, parroting, vent your fury, harping on etc.

Yer wasted here Mick!

Sunday Times suggests Govt to allow Ukrainians to be eligible for HAP, which is social housing. Further, the Minister adds:

Its great that this girl got the help and support she needs. However there are thousands of Irish kids with disabilities that don't get the help they need and are unsupported by the services. They are stuck on waiting lists for support services. We can't have a situation where Ukrainian kids are deemed more deserving than Irish kids.

Of course Ukrainians deserve to be housed, basic social welfare supports, access to education and medical care. But they should not be allowed to que jump or be given preferential treatment. From what I see preferential treatment for Ukrainians is exactly what is happening.

That a pretty grievous claim you have just made publicly. What's your source for it?

Yep. These people will learn the hard way. They are the ones that will be here in 6 months complaining how they can't get an appointment with their gp anymore, how their kid can't get a place in school/ college, etc etc

Telling the truth to ourselves is valuable, even if it can appear to be 'just complaining'.

What are you talking about more to the point, Grevious claims 🙄 last week you were claiming 3,000 hotel beds secured by government, the true number nearer 12k not including guest houses, hostels etc.

The young Ukranian girl is NOT volunteering, she got a placement and has a full time carer and this is a good thing.

The point the poster was making (correctly) placements for those with intellectual disabilities are very difficult to get in normal circumstances and if you foolishly believe disability services are adequate, I'm afraid you are mistaken.

The poster correctly said it's a very good thing this young girl is getting support but asks a ligitmate question about the 100's that are not. Notwithstanding the shocking state of disability services in Ireland it was confounded by the Pandemic and I'm personally aware of two dreadful experiences families had.

The feature was in essence a fluff piece of Journalism, used as a filler , I don't ever recall VMN doing a similar piece on others with intellectual disabilities getting a placement at any venue, let alone a private horticultural enterprise.

In cases like that I am familiar with, it is people who own a business who volunteer to provide a service to the Ukrainians for free. My wife has been volunteering with a group of Ukrainians in the town where we live (they are housed in a hotel). If someone needs something, we try to help them find it. It could be childcare for example (some of the local childcare providers have offered to take a few kids for free), there were also a couple of people who wanted to see a therapist as they were struggling to come to terms with what they experienced. Generally we have found that people have been very willing to help for nothing. I would imagine the example you have there was the equestrian center volunteering to work with the girl for free. So it isn't really queue jumping, it is a private company offering something for free.

@Dempo1 - The poster correctly said it's a very good thing this young girl is getting support but asks a ligitmate question about the 100's that are not. Notwithstanding the shocking state of disability services in Ireland it was confounded by the Pandemic and I'm personally aware of two dreadful experiences families had.

Can I firstly say that your saying the poster has asked a "legitimate question" is wrong. The "100's that are not" getting this support is a matter for another thread as this was an existing situation in Ireland long before the refugee crisis. This is the "Ukrainian refugees in Ireland" thread.

It really is quite sad that people have to jump on an isolated incident of a traumatised young girl receiving treatment, and try to escalate it into something more. To put this into context this is a single instance, but even if it were a dozen or more receiving these services, these are children who've come from a war zone. They've been traumatised in ways that no Irish person could comprehend. They've lost parents, brothers, sisters, grandparents. Additionally they've lost their home, school, friends and in most cases all of their belongings. Some have lived through shellings and explosions, and some are scarred physically whilst all are scarred mentally. As if all the aforementioned is not enough they have arrived in a strange new country with - in most cases - just the clothes on their backs. And posters here want to gripe about some of them receiving this kind of therapy before someone on an Irish waiting list.

If I were personally in need of these services, and had been on a waiting list for a number of years, then I would willingly wait a little longer in order for a child who has been through the horrors of war to jump the queue.

Too many people on this thread have absolutely no idea of context, but an abundance of misguided and misdirected outrage.

Wow I think this is the most shocking post of seen on this thread.

So in your opinion those that are on waiting lists for years should be happy to wait another few years. Families with kids and adults with disabilities need help NOW.

How would you feel if you had a child who has very complex needs - would be you be happy to just wait.

Shame on you to suggest these kids, adults and families are not as deserving. Shame on you

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Adult services for those with disabilities, physical and mentally, are treated shockingly in this country.

Some kids that have intellectual disabilities cannot get formal education in the usual way like schools. Some are 'lucky' to receive day care in units. It is very challenging for both carers and children in these units.

Once they turn 18 they are turfed out on their ear. Parents become full time carers. Parents in their 60s who have to shave, shower, and wipe their adult children after toileting.

I have seen firsthand, an 18 enter A&E, after being released from hanging himself, a trouser belt around his neck. Mother accompanied him, triaged and sat for 5 hours waiting for mental health services to come and see him. He ran off. How do I know? Because I had someone close to me, brought by ambulance, due to the person doing something similar. We also waited 5 hours, saw someone, who said we've no beds to admit, but can be added to a waiting list to talk to someone. This was pre-covid. I can only imagine the state of services now.

Nobody wants to see children or adults have suffering, mentally or physically. Everyone deserves to see someone who can help. Having a child of ANY age means you will die for them, fight for their place in a line to help them. Everyone deserves help. It's not a competition. Those who have heard shelling and have seen deaths from this war need help. But equally, those who have been sexually abused by a family member, or a an adult with severe autism and disability also deserves help. The fairest way for help is to get on line.

I despair at these free classes and places being given from businesses to ukrainans. There are thousands of Irish who are waiting for opportunities to help them, but offers have never been there. Why now? Because a child of war is more deserving than a child who has PTSD from sexual abuse, because I can tell you, both are equally horrendous. Why could we not have done this for our own all along?

But hey, life is peachy, let's load more onto our health and carers system. Loads to go around.

You despair at free classes being given to Ukrainians, why? I find this attitude awful to be honest. Are you volunteering your time/money/services for free to Irish people? It is the job of the Irish state to provide services, which they have to pay for. If they are unwilling to pay for them, then there will be no service provided. The businesses are not charities, so in normal situations they would expect to be paid for providing the service.

I find the types of people who are so against this are also contributing very little to the state themselves. If people were will to pay more tax we could have better services provided by the state. But they aren't even willing to pay for the water they use and we also have 1m outside the income tax net, the services reflect this.

No, your absurd notions are claptrap, I wondered have you even seen the fluff piece of journalism on VMN 🤔 the Journalist, Belarusian, could have done a piece of the appalling and barbaric situation with Orphans and those with intellectual disabilities in her own country, actually the BBC did some excellent reporting on abandoned children in Ukraine, also some with intellectual disabilities she could have focused on that perhaps.

Again, I've not once said it's a bad thing the girl in question is getting support, I've simply asked why 100's are not and waiting years , if that offends you good, you should be offended but don't and yet again Twist what was said and indeed what's being discussed to suit your very odd narrative.