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Inflation

  • 06-05-2022 9:14pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Noticing the price of everyday items increasing. This will start to impact people sooner or later if it's not already.

    And that's before interest rates rise this year. Could put up to €300 extra per month on a mortgage.

    There's interesting times ahead.

    Any items in particular you've noticed jump in the last few weeks/months?

    Are you concerned about the increases? Myself I would say 'not yet' but if inflation hits double digits that's not something that can be ignored too long.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,110 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Hydrocarbons and stuff derived from them, like electricity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,634 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    I noticed museli went up from 2.29 to 2.37

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith


    A cod meal in Beshoff Bros went up by EUR 2 last month.



  • Registered Users Posts: 131 ✭✭Freddiestar


    Airport parking, used to be about 5 per day in Quikpark or similar price in Blue carpark, then up to 7 per day at start of 2022, now it's 12 per day. Quikpark is closed so no competition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭Roger Mellie Man on the Telly


    6 pack of dog food went up a euro so had the old girl euthanised.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭LarryGraham


    The risk of prolonged stagflation is very real. Then it gets very "interesting" as central banks and monetary policy can do very little.


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagflation#:~:text=In%20economics%2C%20stagflation%20or%20recession,lower%20inflation%20may%20exacerbate%20unemployment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    To all those gallant people who roared and shouted for strict lockdowns over the last 2 years, well here is your bill folks.!!

    Suck it up and pay ladies and gentlemen.

    There is no such thing as a free dinner...!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 685 ✭✭✭Housefree


    Cans in Dealz gone from 3 for €1.50 to 2 for €1.50



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,426 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Own brand 2 litre milks went from €1.49 across the board to €1.69 without much public moaning at all.

    Tesco Luxury Toilet Roll went from €2.79 to €5 at the start of this week. Their cheap €2.29 toilet roll went to €4.

    https://www.tesco.ie/groceries/en-IE/products/281055810



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  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭toyotatommy


    Do you like dags?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    The true figure is 20%+

    people can literally feel themselves getting poorer as each week goes by

    only way out of this now is a recession



  • Registered Users Posts: 275 ✭✭squigglestrebor


    You think worldwide inflation is because Ireland had strict lockdowns? Give your head a wobble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    It's really nothing to do with that. Yes a little to do with production being shut down for a certain period and supply chain hold ups.

    They printed too much money the last few years created out of thin air and fooked it around like confetti. End result.

    Would have happened either way. Looking like ecb will follow suit with fed in US in raising interest rates.

    Considering the stock markets is in severe volatility at the moment too.

    Coupled with an energy crisis.

    Things are going to get interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,773 ✭✭✭donaghs


    And during the lockdowns, developed economies accelerated the money printing process with additional handouts to people and businesses affected by the lockdowns. in the US I think Biden's pandemic bill was 2 "Trillion" dollars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Always find that funny when a leader of a country. makes announcements like that. As if introducing that amount of money into the system has no knock on affect.

    Our lads were throwing billions around the last few years even before covid as if it was change from the lash the night before



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭Mongfinder General


    It’s a good time to borrow on a fixed rate and use the money now. Paying the loan back will get easier as wages rise to meet the impact of inflation.

    We had 12 years of no inflation/deflation. Given that wage levels were depressed in some sectors - pay rises during this period along with social welfare increases were real increases in income.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,773 ✭✭✭donaghs


    Until quite recently people were still saying inflation was a thing of the past,

    Last year David McWilliams was berating Pascal O'Donohoe for not borrowing and spending massive amounts of money due to "low interest rates".

    This time its different.... etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,223 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    You could have just split up.

    She was a cheap date all the same. Didn't even have to stretch to a happy meal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,223 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    With a bit of luck interest rates will rise enough to give a better return on savings, like in the 80's.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,773 ✭✭✭donaghs


    And Biden's spending plans (and previous admininistrations quantative easing) must have had no impact on inflation either. Its a "worldwide" issue.


    And Bertie Ahern's policies had no impact on the scale of the Great Recession in Ireland, it was global issue, the collapse of Lehman brothers was what undid all his good work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,223 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Lockdown does not mean quantitative easing. They are two completely separate things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,474 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Inflation is massive and in my experience way above the official headline figures. Example- my barber was €12 for a man’s cut pre covid. That went to €15 now €18- so a 50% increase in about 18 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,474 ✭✭✭✭road_high




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭combat14


    looking recently at purchasing a toyota corrola car ...

    first of all the price has gone up significantly, secondly the 1000 euro they gave with the purchase finance offer is gone, thirdly the interest rate on pcp has increased from 3.9-》4.9 to today 5.5%

    in summary i think i wont bother going ahead with the purchase and just hold onto own car for another few years instead



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,223 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Did they ever match inflation Jim? I know rates were mad high in the early 80's but how much were you able to get on savings?


    The other thing as well is the DIRT eating into the interest as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,430 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Aldi/Lidl were supposedly raising prices by 30/40% across the board but I haven't noticed it in my weekly shopping yet.

    I think gas/electricity and diesel are the only items Ive personally noticed. I think the next big item will be interest rates.

    I've recently fixed for 5 years. I think that will be the best way the average joe can hedge against the rising tide.



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Pretty much this.

    You can't scream for lockdowns for 2 years and then complain when the economy is f*cked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Electricity is the big one I have noticed. It's the only one so far that has made me change my usage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,474 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Cars are mental. These would have listed maybe €22-25 k pre covid. Now €30k plus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,223 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    50% Tax free on 5 year State Savings Certs for a start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,223 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    I vaguely remember those rates being advertised. So that would be bit more than 8% annual. 5 years is grand for a person coming up to retirement but might not suit everyone.

    But did deposit rates beat inflation when it was high? I don't mean spikes - I mean the years when "normal" was a higher level. Before we got cheap Euro money.



  • Registered Users Posts: 685 ✭✭✭Housefree


    Brexit impacted on the supply of cars imported from the UK as well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,447 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Some adult incontinence products (that weren't cheap in the first place) have increased by over 30% in the last month in Tesco. As this is AH I expect jokes but this really is no joke for elderly and disabled people who need them Also, it affects everyone if the HSE is having to pay out more public money for similar products.

    An inflationary spiral is a bad, bad thing for many. The more complex your family situation (e.g. single parents of young kids), the worse it is.

    For those with savings, I expect token interest rate rises that won't come close to matching inflation.

    What can people do? Adopt an anti consumerist mentality. Adjust lifestyle as much as possible. No more skysports, Apple products, breakfast cereals (Kelloggs muck) alcohol. There is no need to be showering every day, that is sheeple thinking. Also If you eat a good diet you'll rarely need toilet paper - I haven't wiped my arse for over a year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,773 ✭✭✭donaghs


    Nowhere in my post did I say that lockdowns had anything to do with quantitative easing?

    "And Biden's spending plans (and previous administrations quantitative easing) must have had no impact on inflation either. Its a "worldwide" issue."

    I can reiterate: Biden increased lockdown/pandemic spending. Previous administrations had quantitative easing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,223 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    It was no spike and that was an example. Yes they beat inflation. But you're determined it was otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,474 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I got rid of Sky tv (was moving house anyhow) and far less or none spending on new clothes (have tons anyhow). I shower a lot at the gym which is a money saver.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,223 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Strange conclusion Jim. I only asked you a genuine question. I was not around when there was high inflation in the likes of the 80's. I get the impression that it was fairly consistently high which is why I asked about those time periods rather than maybe an abnormal "spike" (When the Euro came in, prices jumped because of that so I was not referring to those). We've also had a spike in the last year. It remains to be seen how long it persists, even though it looks likely to



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,223 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    The original post blamed lockdowns for inflation. You jumped in in defence of that post - and also linked in quantitative easing.

    You can clarify if you want if you disagree that "lockdowns" caused inflation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Um, a few minor issues. This is current affairs (or the upper class AH as some call it). Using "sheeple" in any context will give off Gemma conspiracy theorist vibes. Also if you have, in fact, not wiped your arse in over a year that is indeed AH material and they will want to hear more.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 720 ✭✭✭Lemsiper


    My dinner was free yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,704 ✭✭✭Nermal


    The latter was used to pay for the former.

    So although they are separate, yes lockdowns absolutely caused the inflation we're seeing now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,223 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    So you believe that if there were no lockdowns, there would have been no inflation? Or less inflation?

    It would be a fairly revolutionary thesis to be fair. Lockdowns reduced consumer demand an awful lot. You'd be proposing that decrease in demand increased prices.


    Shipping costs increased alright, but that was due to China and not any Western policies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Dont buy toothpaste either.

    Gingivitis is all the rage now I hear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    Yes but on this occasion lockdown did mean QE.

    It's the same thing with the cheering on of the Ukraine Russia skirmish, the happy clappy seals that migrated from cheering on lockdowns don't seem to realise or else don't care that this will add further fuel to inflation.

    Sometimes the last few years I have felt that QE is the solution looking for a problem and the longer I see COVID and now Ukraine being blamed for needing more QE, the more I think that the central banks are looking for any excuse to latch on their QE wagon. It feels like, after Ukraine and Russia, there'll be a new problem that justifies QE.

    One, I suppose, benefit from the persistently high inflation will probably be felt by existing tenancy renters; for the first time in years, there will be some respite for those already in a tenancy because the rent increase, if it does rise, will be way off the real inflation rate so seeing your rent only go up 2% could be a nice boost as your salary increases 10% to match I flatiron. Additionally, seeing homeowners pay higher mortgages in the amount of a few hundred per month might make renting look a bit more attractive than it has looked, for a change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,223 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    So would it be your position that if Ireland had had no lockdowns, that inflation would not be an issue now?

    If no lockdown, most businesses would have been closed anyway. Health services would not have been able to cope. The manpower directed to vaccine rollouts would have been needed in emergency wards. Workplaces would have still had to deal with massive outbreaks. People wouldn't have been going out to the likes of pubs anyway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭macvin


    Tesco loo rolls went to €4, but they have a new "more luxury" version at €5. Both look similar.


    Milk - farmers are getting 44c/litre - it was 32/33c for a long time. Fertiliser and feed has gone through the roof



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,426 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Yes it's more the cartell practice that they are all selling for exactly €1.69 when marketing and distribution costs would all be different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭macvin


    One of the biggest causes of inflation has been the strength of the US dollar.

    It weakened to $1.22/€ last year which alleviated some of the raw material and transport increases of 2019 & 2020.

    No in 2022 the dollar is at $1.05, fuel has skyrocketed especially gas which is used for many manufacturing processed, transport has skyrocketed too.


    So add the dollar strength, higher raw material costs, higher manufacturing costs, higher transport costs and you have some sectors that will have 25%-40% price increases (Paper, card and wood in particular). Overall it will be 7% -10% for a while yet and there's very little anyone can do about it as its worldwide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭macvin


    or price matching. Margins on milk are miniscule. Its a key "attention" product. Most stores will match each other.

    95p (€1.14) for a 1.13 litres (2pints) in tesco here in NI, so 95c for a litre is cheaper than the UK, also cheaper than France (€1.05 for own brand)


    from 44c for farmer to 95c pasteurised, packaged and delivered to a store, hardly the work of a cartel



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