Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

A government can do what it likes with an airport apron. I remember when airports had a waist high access gate between the apron and external road and there was no security check prior to boarding. You don't remove the plane from the airport.

Currently the planes are dismembered at Knock airport, so some fencing would quick fix any issues. Planes are already wired and are powered externally via umbilicals before engine start. Same with airconditioning and heating.

I'm sure given the potential for positive publicity aspects, that the government could reach a low cost arrangement with any airline scrapping a plane, and as I implied, absolutely no reason to remove any bits of it or to remove it from an airport, just chuck up some fencing.

I'm sure the publicity section of any airline would be happy to tell the bosses that the positive publicity was worth a lot more than the scrap value and eventually, the plane still gets scrapped and the airline still gets the pocket change that represents.

You aren't very imaginative.

You are very imaginative. Governments don’t regulate the industry. “Remember when” doesn’t equate to now… EU regulate security and safety. A ‘standard’. No governments can ‘ do what they want ‘.

Rules can… the law can’t, in particular as it relates to safety matters of aviation.

We could. But regular tents would be a lot cheaper than themed ones. 😉

I never suggested any EU member was at war with Russia.

I replied to this

The EU is not capable of being at war with anyone

They most certainly are as the EU is made of 27 countries who after the Madrid bombings devised their own version of NATO's Article 5.

Nicknamed the 'mutual defence clause'

This clause provides that if an EU country is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other EU countries have an obligation to aid and assist it by all the means in their power, in accordance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. This obligation of mutual defence is binding on all EU countries

As for nations formally declaring war on another, that doesn't really happen anymore, even the Russian invasion is a "Special Operation" although that could change next week.

So if Finland was attacked by Russia they would be fully entitled to trigger in full Article 42.7, something which was actually discussed at the highest level once the Russians went into Ukraine.

Re France, they have a nuclear arsenal so the EU if it came to it would be as capable as any other nuclear power.

there is a difference ie. Do it once and I will accept the ‘error’ BUT don’t repeat it or else

Denmark are the only country that can "opt out" of the Temporary Protection Directive.

In Lieu of that they passed their own law.

Oh we get it alright:

"How come ye can find money for tents in the Curragh for refugees when I've been waiting for 10 bleedin' years on the dole for me foreva home".

All these people who suddenly become concerned for travellers or homeless here. I'd say you'd find that they were the same ones who were spouting "They shouldn't be here because they are not real refugees .... I'd support real refugees" when other people were coming in. If you were one of the people who used to say that ....... well now is your time to show that you weren't bullsh1tting.

This old trope about having to pass through safe states on the way here is irrelevant. It is an EU wide issue. They came from Ukraine into the EU. Ireland has to do it's bit.

Try to get your head around this. Ireland has accepted many refugees over the years. Yet you see them in Cork or Mullingar or Cavan town. Even though they landed in Dublin airport. There isn't a restriction that the government has to house them in Dublin just because they landed there.

I'm sure everyone understands your concerns but you're only parroting what dozens before you have said on this thread, so nothing new there.

For yourself, and others of the same ilk before you, my question is what exactly do you hope to achieve by venting your anger on an anonymous forum? Do you not think that letters to local newspapers, contacting your local minister, getting up a petition, arranging a protest, etc, etc, would possibly be a better use of your time, as even though there's only a remote chance of getting your voice(s) heard it will at least be some chance of achieving something - whereas on here you have none.

Sure this is a discussion board but you're not really discussing anything. You're just complaining. There are those who keep repeating the same reasons for the government failure over and over and over again. But no-one is doing anything, and any suggestions made are a waste of time as they are being offered towards anonymous people on here. Then there are those who say freedom from oppression and war brutality shouldn't have a price put on it. And so you exchange words, anger and frustration. But the bottom line is that the probably 50 to 100 people who've participated in this thread can't do anything about it and your views wont progress any further, but your frustration and ire will just increase.

You'll have your chance to vent your fury at the government the next time voting comes around. In the meantime there are loads of ways to express your personal indignance much better than by harping on here with what may as well be a cut and paste job of the dozens of similar views before you.

It looks like you live in th US...

Why are you so concerned with people living in ireland having questions about the impact on our services by the large, sudden arrival of so many refugees? How many Ukranians have the US taken, i read that Joe Biden agreed on 100,000, a tiny number into a country with 330 million. The UK have taken 11,000 into a population of 67 million, also a tiny number.

We have already welcomed 28,000 into our small population of 5 million. As a nation, we are more than happy to help but there is a limit to what we can do IMO.

Yeah I live in the US. I moved a year or two ago though. I used to live in a big house which was white in DC. Now I live in Florida with a lady called Melania. I'm quite famous. One advantage of being famous is that people let you get away with things. Well, except for boards.ie moderators. They let you away with nothing

It’ll effect everyone at the bottom of the scale. Those in the middle too with more tax hikes.

i don’t think many are multilingual in the western sense. A lot do speak Russian, Hungarian, Polish… but for the main bilingual working markets in jobs here ? I wouldn’t imagine German, French or Nordic fluency would be common… fluency would be necessary.