Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

It's pronounced "craic", you qwack :p

A vicious circle…. Already the impact of this craziness is evident.

Posted in the minimum wahlge thread too.

Just there the taoiseach at the cork chamber states that the "dramatic" increase in population from the 1990's is the single biggest contributor to the housing crisis.

Well, I never!

Of course it's dressed up with all sorts, but there's admittance happening. Including the mysterious meetings between the housing Minister and shmidt regarding EU movement and certain rights.

Shocking, I tells you. The broken narrative that housing and migration are not connected is on it's last legs. You can't duck and dive reality forever.

There's something terribly at odds between the Ukrainian refugee numbers and this slow, slow acceptance that sweeping change on population numbers is coming. Not only here, but all of Europe.

I'd say there's a fair few beads of perspiration in certain quarters these days.

Sensible, sustainable, forward thinking policy. That's all people want.

You'd think people had been asking for leprechaun juice.

I have to agree. We have around 30k now and no real plan in place . Circa 2000 vacant houses pledged and standing empty now for over 2 months . Many of them furnished , stocked and ready to go . It’s incredibly frustrating for people to have homes and rooms ready and see women and children crammed into halls

No one can excuse the delay in sorting out the pledged accommodation for two months . Naively I thought the refugees would arrive and be housed in these homes very quickly with checks done retrospectively if need be .

There are volunteers trying to sort out medical needs and special needs buggies etc etc in hotels because the Government plonked 150 people in a hotel and thought that would be enough.

There should have been an emergency Task Force ( similar to NPHET) put in place immediately to delegate , organise and sort this out . Shameful that it was not

Limited Nuclear exchange with a NATO member?

It's pretty much game over then I'm afraid, we will all be refugees well the ones who aren't dead anyway.

I know three people now who pledged , one four bed house , one granny flat and one ensuite double room . No one has heard bar one quick phone call then nothing more . Absolutely scandalous that no task force was put in place to deal with it

I've heard various Red Cross officials interviewed over the past month and it became apparent very early on in this that they were ill prepared, not suited to the task and frankly out of their depth.

Whilst not doubting their work across the world and in particular war Zones, their expertise is in logistics essentially, going into extremely difficult situations and setting up services, offering humanitarian aid etc, generally in the region or near the regions we're conflict is happening. They also have expertise in setting up emergency temporary shelter.

What they discovered in Ireland and possibly other neighbouring countries was quite simply, nothing to work with, no infrastructure, no housing, negativity towards temporary shelter and essentially a reliance on the good will of Irish citizens.

I actually believe both Government and the Red Cross foolishly believed pledges, vacant properties etc was the answer, they had no plan B and clearly still don't.

I believe as of yesterday 700, yes 700 Ukranian refugees now accommodated in private, pledged properties, I also believe the number of Ukranian refugees now in Ireland around 30k.

Yesterday it was reported 48 hrs notice was given to remove refugee children from schools as parents we're being moved to city west from a holiday Inn in Dublin. City West is rapidly turning into a massive Direct provision Centre.

It's frankly now gone beyond farcical at this stage.

We're exactly are these 10k you claim to have been accommodated exactly 🤔 they are certainly NOT in pledged accommodation, which is the point I was addressing, 700 are, I'll repeat that, 700 as your clearly missing the point. It was also stated on numerous reports yesterday the total figure is nearer 30k but that's semantics at this stage.

Super efficiency you say 🤔 indeed if the intention was to set up DIRECT PROVISION +, the red cross weren't required for that task, this and previous governments, expert's in that field.

They must certainly ARE in "pledged" accommodation, I have drove some there myself.

O'Gorman gave an update in the Dáil yesterday, it's the most update info put out there.

O’Gorman said that as of yesterday 27,372 people have fled here from Ukraine, with about 18,000 of those requiring accommodation

All I'm seeing are the salty tears of those who are needlessly worried that a few Ukrainians are going to jump ahead of them in the dole queue and the foreva home queue.

I understand you might feel threatened and insecure by them, but in reality, if they end up outcompeting you on anything, it is because you wasted your massive massive headstart.

And local politicians TBF to them, one lady I know who pledged was asked how fast her internet connection was. Then nothing. 😕

She has a young mother 2 kids living with her the past 3 weeks, she couldn't be waiting around for the omnishambles.

Nope that's you taking what I said to an extreme.

Imagine the US or UK are found assisting Ukraine militarily and the Russians respond with a tactical nuclear strike, not attacking a NATO country, rather a target inside Ukraine.

Nukes btw, are not all 800 kiloton ICBMs anymore. There are now tactical nuclear missiles, 10 kiloton. Not designed for the purposes of wiping entire cities off the map.

This is the danger of escalation and why we should be cautious about intaking refugees and why the EU should be pressuring both sides to agree a peace deal. And yes I don't care about 'territorial integrity' and that crap and would be happy to give Crimea and part of eastern Ukraine to Russia in order to establish an amenable if not obvious solution.