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Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,093 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    80% of the worlds population have been killed by these "death jabs", as predicted on here.



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That there are no safety concerns about the vaccines beyond the ones already known and outlined by medical professionals.

    And that the various claims of conspiracy theorists like the idea that the vaccines are going to kill 50% of people are all false.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭gladvimpaker


    First heard of it. So I'm in the god damnit Truman show :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭gladvimpaker




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭gladvimpaker


    Well they haven't killled anyone I know of, probably a slight fever etc afterwards but they're all thriving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,195 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    If it's not suppression what would you call it? Like they brought in a €9 meal but couldn't utter the words get your vitamin d levels up, worrying you think sure what about it, feckin conspiracy theorists.

    My observations, everyone I know bar a couple of people got COVID pretty shortly after taking the vaccine, then they took the flu vaccine and got the flu, it's amusing to watch. I got COVID from a vaccinated person I let into my house, yet we were told if you get the vaccine you won't get covid or spread COVID. Another load of crap peddled by the pushers.

    Haven't heard of anyone getting cancer after it, I hope they don't and have no reason to think they will at this point in time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,124 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    We were never "told" that the vaccines completely prevent the transmission of Covid and stop Covid. This is nonsense peddled by foaming-at-the-mouth anti-vaxxers.

    Covid mutates. Vaccines significantly reduce deaths from Covid, and somewhat reduce transmission (depending on variant). There may be a dramatic mutation in the future which the current vaccines (developed for previous variants) have little or no effect on. If that occurs we will have to adapt/develop new vaccines.

    If you catch Covid now, thanks to vaccines, you are approx. 90% less likely to die from it (depending on vaccine and variant). And thanks to medical science if you do get into difficulties, treatment can further improve your chances.

    At this stage in the pandemic it's incredible this has to be explained to what I can only presume are adults.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Who told you that you wouldn't get covid or spread covid after having one of the vaccines?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,812 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    So, should we close the thread?

    I vote yes.



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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,584 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


     yet we were told if you get the vaccine you won't get covid or spread COVID

    literally NO ONE said that getting the vaccine meant you couldnt catch or spread covid.

    No one !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,124 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I am convinced either these people never read or watch the news or they once saw a TV show in which someone speculated that Covid might disappear with vaccines therefore "tHe MaiNStreAm MeDia Told uS"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,195 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    NPHET done nothing about it and were asked by Leo to recommend it, why didn't they? what might it have had an impact on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,195 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    The guy mainly funding the resistance in Ukraine did, along with a host of others, Rochelle in the CDC said you can't spread it if your vaccinated,even Luke quoted some promising data that said vaccinated don't spread it. Remember the pandemic of the unvaccinated, don't bring them over for Christmas, ban them from indoor hospitality etc.

    Literally loads of them were pimping the same horse manure. Why? Same reason as all the other nonsense we had to put up with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭EyesClosed




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,195 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    More people might not have taken the vaccine.

    Now we're in the crazy situation where people are boosting themselves and children not because they are any way worried about COVID they want a certificate for holidays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    So the government encouraged more people to take the vaccine so that people would take it? Why?

    We have had everything on here... Its a secret plot for communist take over... Its Satan... What is the reason for the vaccine in your view?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,195 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Government thought it would end the Pandemic and they'd signed deals to cover boosters for 2013 and Options on millions more, made sense to promote it.

    What the new vaccine did was drastically lower the cost of goods sold and speed to market for a bleeding edge technology.

    What is the reason for the Pandemic in your view?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,124 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    And? What's crazy about using vaccines and boosters to reduce deaths from a virus?



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  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Pretty clearly remember that one of the main selling points of the vaccine was preventing hospitalizations and serious illness etc. Never promised not to get it. Also, are the conspiracy theorists now linking resistance funding in the Ukraine as a bad actor move?



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just because people aren't convinced of the same bullshit you are, it doesn't mean your bullshit is being suppressed.


    And lol those aren't observations man. That's just you making based assumptions based on your anecdotal experience. And then none of which points to a safety issue.

    And again you are inventing and misrepresenting positions that no one holds.

    Please show an example of a medical professional directly stating "if you get the vaccine you won't get covid or spread COVID".


    And lol. You still can't say you disagree with buzz. That's just Pathetic and cowardly.

    So you support his claims and his behaviour. Don't now later whinge when your stance is lumped in with his.



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Of course. Everything is a conspiracy that they've figured out because they're so special.



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Same.

    Like the covid measure thread conspiracy theorists aren't able to actually answer the entrance question of the thread.

    The only one that's pointing to any actual safety issue is buzzer when he parrots off of Twitter. But his claims are obviously false and barely sane. Other conspiracy theorists are too afraid to either agree with him or challenge his bullshit directly.


    There's nothing really of value in this thread. Just the usual trotting out of tired anti vaxxing stuff and link dumping.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,195 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    You still can't answer why NPHET didn't make it a recommendation, why? It was never bullshit. It would have reduced icu and hospital admissions.

    The Director of the CDC said it when the "hyper transmissible" Kent variant was on the go, she was referencing trial data and had 51 Million people jabbed and counting when the claim you won't get sick or transmit the virus was made. @1.10 https://youtu.be/Ngv07ekWS4w

    I've no beef with buzz haven't been following him.

    Are you on about condemning 50% of people will die of cancer? why would you kill half your customer base, definitely don't think that's going to happen, bad Buzz.



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Because you're over stating it's effectiveness. That's the bullshit.

    Why specifically do you believe they didn't make a recommendation. Please stop hiding behind vaguery.


    Ok cool. Rarity for conspiracy theorists to actually back up their quotes.

    What data is she referencing?

    Any other examples?


    And of course you've no beef with Buzz. He's a fell conspiracy theorist and you're not allowed to disagree or challenge him.

    He claimed that 50% of people will die of cancer caused by the vaccine. You don't believe this.

    Why not? Why would buzz tell a lie like that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,195 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Your understating it's effectiveness, can you not just admit that NPHET should maybe have taken on the good advice and saved some lives.

    What data is she referring to, did you listen to her, it's the clinical trials and real world data.

    Our own chief pharma mouthpiece said the moderna data showed the vaccinated aren't getting infected and spreading it, @10 seconds. https://youtu.be/iPp7EmkPZ_Q

    Stephen Donnelly upended the whole narrative when he stated the COVID certs were to protect the unvaccinated from the vaccinated, you would have thought it was the other way round listening to the experts.

    You'll have to ask Buzz about his motives.



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well no, you've claimed that it's effective ess has been suppressed. You can't show this are you are simply inventing a conspiracy there.


    And yes, I'm asking you if you know what that data is. Cause the data does not say that the vaccinated cannot get infected. That's not what she said either.

    If you disagree please show this data and where it says that.


    And so you've two examples that are off handed statements said during interviews? That's it?


    And no I'm asking you what you think his motives are. How would buzz know what you think?

    Again you're avoiding making any definitive statements because you guys aren't allowed to disagree or challenge each other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,195 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    NPHET surpressed the good advice, it's not a conspiracy to believe there may have been a motive behind it. Look at all the nonsense they came out yet they couldn't say get your vitamins in. It's you that invented the conspiracy to say it's bullshit to cover those crooks asses. Are you on the panel by any chance, it sure appears like you've skin in the game..

    Your were given proof it was said twice there's plenty more examples yet you dismiss it now as it doesn't suit you.

    You still refuse to answer a simple question or pass comment on the motive, but yea let's all attack Buzz the real evil villan in all this.



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  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ok. You've not actually shown it was suppressed. You just believe it was suppressed because you are assuming that's the only explanation for them not agreeing with you. Nor have you explained what the motivation is. Are you avoiding this question because you don't know or because you know your answer sounds stupid and conspiratorial?

    What skin do I have in the game? You guys keep making this accusation, but then you cower away whenever you're challenged on it. I will assume that's the tactic you will take here.


    And no, you did not give proof it was said twice. In one of your examples it was not said at all. I assume that's the case with your second example too.

    You keep claiming that they were all saying it, but you can only point to two examples that start to fall apart if you actually think on them for more than second and beyond the tweets you most likely took them from.

    Now, to examine the first one you posted, you have not actually read the reports she's referring to, have you? I will assume not as you will not answer this directly.

    Those reports do not claim that the vaccine 100% prevents infection. No reports do. You are lying if you claim otherwise and you know it.

    She did not say that either. She said "Our data suggests vaccinated people don't carry the virus and don't get sick."

    Vaccinated people do not get the virus from the vaccine and do not carry the virus from the vaccine. They also do not get sick or as sick at the same rates as unvaccinated people.

    Her language is imprecise, but she is naively assuming her words aren't going to be scoured over by anti-vaxxer nuts to find something to fuel a conspiracy. But she did not say what you claimed she did.

    Could you explain why would she claim this while the CDC website, and all other statements outside the 2 you can point to do not agree with the claims you made? I am going to bet you'll ignore this question also.


    And it's very very rich for a conspiracy theorist to whinge falsely that I'm not answering your question while avoiding the question I asked.

    You won't comment or disagree with Buzzer's claims and behaviour because your religious conspiracy beliefs forbid you from questioning or challenging a fellow believer.

    You won't say you disagree with him. That's fine. You won't call him out for spamming stupid twitter dumps. That's fine.

    Then don't whinge when people lump your brand of anti-vaxx nonsense in with his. It's all the same.


    Watch now as you try to avoid the points in this post by throwing a tantrum or declaring that you're too good to respond or some such.



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