Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

Less dangerous than the birth control pill and paracetamol, wheres your outrage about those dangerous drugs?

It has absolutely zero to do with vaccines which is the topic of this thread except in a negative sense. People are vaccinated and instead of dying at a young age they survived and in older age developed cancer.

As multiple posters have pointed out to you it is primarily down to people living longer and secondarily lifestyle.

What % of all these cancers are treatable skin cancers for example.

"The main reason cancer risk overall is rising is because of our increasing lifespan. And the researchers behind these new statistics reckon that about two-thirds of the increase is due to the fact we’re living longer."

https://news.cancerresearchuk.org/2015/02/04/why-are-cancer-rates-increasing/

Cancer Rates for Teens and Young Adults Are Rising

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/cancer-rates-for-teens-and-young-adults-are-rising-what-to-know

Between 2007 and 2016

"The study concluded that overall cancer rates increased in all young adult age groups between 2007 and 2016.

This was largely driven by thyroid cancer, which rose by approximately 3 percent annually among those ages 20 to 39 and 4 percent among those ages 15 to 19.

Incidence also increased in most age groups for several cancers linked to obesity, including kidney (3 percent annually across all age groups), uterine corpus (3 percent in the group ages 20 to 39), and colorectum (about 1 percent in the group ages 20 to 39).

Rates declined for melanoma in the group ages 15 to 29 (4 to 6 percent annually) but remained stable among those ages 30 to 39."

Well there's that silly childish lie again.

You've been challenged to actually show any is a shill before buzz, but you've been too cowardlyto even attempt to do so.

I will remind you that you're the one who's been mindlessly spamming links and copy and pasting crap from Twitter like a bot.

Also you have demonstrably told lies. You have just claimed that 50% of all people will die of cancer because of the vaccines/GMOs/whatever. (I assume @snowcat agrees with this claim as he's not challenged it.)

Also you've constantly copy and pasted other people's work and tried to pass it off as your own. This is a lie.

And of course you keep repeating the lie that people who disagree with you are shills.

So you tell us. Why are you lying? Why do you keep posting here when you've shown yourself and your fellow conspiracy theorists up and little more than spambots?

Lol Weird that you're demanding this answer given how you ran away from defending your definition of "Extreme Pro vaxx".

But an anti-vaxxer is someone who opposes or questions vaccines based on misinformation and ignorance.

This defines you prefectly.

You also share a lot of traits with conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers beyond this, like for example: Misrepresentation of people's posts, evasiveness about questions and points you can't address, a general lack of understanding of terms and science.

Now, Buzzer is an antivaxxer. How is his stance different from yours?

Why have you not at all acknowledged his posts and behaviour? I believe this is because he shares a lot of your beliefs and you don't actually see any issue with his posts.

Also, now that I've answered your question directly, clearly and in full, could you do the same with the yes or no questions I asked you in my previous post. You ignored them, which again is a common anti vaxx conspiracy theorist tactic when faced with something uncomfortable.

Here they are again for your convenience.

Are the vaccines more dangerous than any other medicine?

Are the vaccines more dangerous than has been stated by the companies producing them?

Are the vaccines more dangerous that catching the virus?

Lol You say that you want me to answer your questions, yet you ignore several of mine from my last post. Weird.

Your post here is an example of your misinformation and ignorance.

I'm referring to the vaccines in general. If you believe that one vaccine is more concerning than another, please elaborate, because you have not before.

Similarly in general which is more dangerous, the vaccines or the virus?

And it's not too soon to tell. It's been more than a year. The vaccines have undergone tons of testing and examination. Millions of doses have been administered. There's been very little to show that the vaccines are more dangerous that aany other vaccines or other medicines.

What vaccines have side effects that only show up years down the line and/or only after the 4th dose and show absolutely no signs before that point? Which vaccines have these side effects in significant numbers that outweigh the dangers of the virus?

Now, again, could you explain why you are ignoring Buzzer's claims and behaviour? Could you explain why you refuse to acknowledge the questions about it?

I think it's because you agree with a lot of what he says and have no issue with his claims.

If that's not the case, why not state it?

Lol. That whole answering questions thing didn't last very long.

No, there is no "middle ground" in the same way that there's not a middle ground between flat earthers and sane people.

Buzzer is an example of an extreme anti vaxxer. You have failed to show that there's any such thing as an " extreme pro vaxxer". If you are on the middle ground, then that puts you between extreme anti vaxxers and sane people. That makes you an anti vaxxer.

Cool. So you're ignoring his posts. Does this measure you agree they are wrong? If this is the case, please say so. It's really weird that it's taking this long for you to just state that.

Could you explain why you've been ignoring all the times you've been asked to comment on his claims and behaviour? Why didn't you just state that you believed that they were wrong?

Again, it's a common thread for conspiracy theorists to avoid commenting on each others posts because either they don't want to be honest about the extreme nature of their own beliefs, or they don't want to disagree or challenge a fellow believer.

And I've already given you my answer to your question:

An anti-vaxxer is someone who opposes or questions vaccines based on misinformation and ignorance.

So that's the reason they chose not to vaccinate their kids and are vocal about it, then yea, I'd call them anti-vaxxers.

Your attempt to use the "please think of the children" argument is a bit lame here...

every single medicine has it's risks - penicillin is one of the greatest drugs every produced however for some people it can be horrendous.

Buzzer - that isn't what happens - but you are so far down the rabbit hole it's pointless explaining it to you

Buzzer, do you even read this **** before you repost it?

Do you just see something on twitter and then think it must be true and then post it as quickly as possible?

Cause this passage, on top of being obvious bullshit isn't even complete.

I haven't seen clear guidance from NPHET on Vitamin D, they were asked by Leo and a few others to give clear guidance around it's use but I don't think they ever did. Why? I'm assuming it's it's for the same reasons we had to put up with the pseudoscience of lockdowns and masks.

As for Buzzer, haven't read through their posts only that one and he seem to understand the marketing and experimental situation we're currently observing. Just from my one personal observations it does seem to be causing a problem with the immune system, but that could be down to maybe a lack of Vitamin D or something else, I suppose we'll know in a few years.

That there are no safety concerns about the vaccines beyond the ones already known and outlined by medical professionals.

And that the various claims of conspiracy theorists like the idea that the vaccines are going to kill 50% of people are all false.

We were never "told" that the vaccines completely prevent the transmission of Covid and stop Covid. This is nonsense peddled by foaming-at-the-mouth anti-vaxxers.

Covid mutates. Vaccines significantly reduce deaths from Covid, and somewhat reduce transmission (depending on variant). There may be a dramatic mutation in the future which the current vaccines (developed for previous variants) have little or no effect on. If that occurs we will have to adapt/develop new vaccines.

If you catch Covid now, thanks to vaccines, you are approx. 90% less likely to die from it (depending on vaccine and variant). And thanks to medical science if you do get into difficulties, treatment can further improve your chances.

At this stage in the pandemic it's incredible this has to be explained to what I can only presume are adults.

So, should we close the thread?

I vote yes.

I am convinced either these people never read or watch the news or they once saw a TV show in which someone speculated that Covid might disappear with vaccines therefore "tHe MaiNStreAm MeDia Told uS"

NPHET done nothing about it and were asked by Leo to recommend it, why didn't they? what might it have had an impact on?

I'll bite... What's the reason?

So the government encouraged more people to take the vaccine so that people would take it? Why?

We have had everything on here... Its a secret plot for communist take over... Its Satan... What is the reason for the vaccine in your view?